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The battle over Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia

Last April, Russia’s Supreme Court banned Jehovah’s Witnesses, which came as a blow to the freedom of religion. How the European Court of Human Rights rules on the many cases against Russia, will reveal much about the future of the Court’s influence and the rule of law in the country.

October 25, 2017 - James T. Richardson - Analysis

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Image by Tom Morris

On April 20th 2017, Russia’s Supreme Court issued a ruling liquidating the administrative centre of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia, as well as all of their 395 local religious organisations. The court ruling also authorises confiscation of all property belonging to the church and directs them to cease all activities. The decision was upheld on July 17th by the appellate chamber of the Supreme Court, and on August 17th the Ministry of Justice added the church to the list of banned extremist organisations.

By virtue of these official actions at the highest levels of the Russian government and its judicial system, the Witnesses have been effectively liquidated and banned throughout Russia. The 175,000 members of Witness congregations are thus subject to criminal charges for practising their faith.

What this means for members of Witness communities in Russia is unclear, but there have already been a number of actions taken by authorities in various parts of the country that have targeted the peaceful efforts of Witnesses to meet and share their faith with others. Moreover, some Russian citizens, emboldened by the official rhetoric, have taken vigilant, often violent, actions against individual Witnesses.

Fighting spiritual opposition

The court decision was based on the Ministry of Justice claim made on March 15th 2017 that the Witnesses are an extremist organisation and should, therefore, be liquidated. This designation has been widely criticised internationally and within Russia by those supportive of individual rights such as religious freedom.

The designation of the Witnesses as extremist is especially ironic given the church’s official opposition to violence. It has long expressed strong support for conscientious objector status, which thanks to Witnesses’ advocacy of alternative modes of serving their countries, has become the norm among many nations. However, the Russian government seems bent on forcing the Witnesses and a few other minority religious organisations to cease activities.

Few observers accept the claim that the Witnesses are an extremist organisation and in any way involved in activities that promote terrorism. This puzzling situation has led to much speculation about the real reasons for government’s change of rhetoric. One prominent suggestion is that the Russian Orthodox Church has encouraged the actions as part of its campaign to deter groups that compete for the allegiance of Russian citizens or are otherwise critical of the dominant denomination.

The second idea is that the Witnesses developed within the United States and that the harassment is part of an anti-American campaign. Finally, according to yet another theory, the campaign against the Witnesses is an attempt to distract the populace from Russia’s real economic and political problems, both at home and abroad.

Whatever the reasons behind the drastic action taken and sanctioned by Russian courts, the effects of the decision place Russia in an almost unique position in the international community of modern nations when it comes to constraining religious freedoms.

Russia and the European Court of Human Rights

The Supreme Court decision and other governmental actions taken against the Witnesses are being contested by both public opinion the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR).

The ECtHR is the judicial arm of the Council of Europe which was formed after the Second World War in an effort to deter violations of human and civil rights. Russia is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, which is the governing document for the Council of Europe, and thus is bound by its provisions.

Article 9 of the Convention guarantees freedom of thought, conscience and religion, which, according to the Witnesses, Russia regularly violates.

Since 1992, when Russia was accepted as the Council’s member, the country has lost several major cases before the ECtHR, related to suppressing minority faiths. Jehovah’s Witnesses have been very effective advocates of their rights and the rights of others before the ECtHR, having developed a strong winning record, including some victories in cases against Russia.

Currently, the ECtHR considers 32 cases involving Jehovah’s Witnesses and Russia. This includes the case of the March 2nd 2016 warning, issued by the Prosecutor General’s office to liquidate the Witnesses’ administrative centre in the country.

The ECtHR is going to consider Russia’s decision to deem Witnesses’ literature and actions extremist as urgent, under Rule 41 of the Convention. Ten other cases concern raids on Witness congregations, out of which four deal with home searches and literature confiscation, and the other involve prosecution for evangelising and ban on religious literature.

How the ECtHR rules on the many cases against Russia, especially those concerning the church delegalisation, and how the Russian government responds to those rulings, will reveal much about the future of the Court’s influence. It will also say a lot about the rule of law and religious freedoms in Russia.

James T. Richardson, JD, PhD, is emeritus foundation professor of sociology and judicial studies at the University of Nevada, Reno. His most recent publications include Regulating Religion: Case Studies from around the Globe (Kluwer, 2004), Saints under Siege: The Texas Raid on the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (with Stuart Wright, New York University Press, 2011), The Sociology of Shari’a: Case Studies from around the World (with Adam Possamai and Bryan Turner, Springer, 2014), and Legal Cases Involving New Religions and Minority Faiths (with Francois Bellanger, Ashgate, 2014). He can be contacted at jtr@unr.edu 

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  • Irakli Bokuchava

    Repression against of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia is part of anti American campaign.Russian Establishment considers this religious confession as agent of influence of USA.Russia ignores all decisions of ECtHR,which are against interests of present political regime.Human rights violations,violations of freedom of religion are reality of modern Russia!!!

    • Amelia Rodriguez

      Are you aware that this organization revokes the rights of Freedom of Religion and Freedom of thought of its members to freely think or to change their religion without consequence?

      • 61n61

        You mean the things we say & do, the actions we take, the things we do or do not participate in have consequences? What a concept! Can life become any crueler?

        • Daniel Hernandez

          No point in arguing with Amelia, she has a ton of post against JW’s

          • Victor Orazi

            The bad thing is that Amelia s points are accurated and backed by the Washington​ Post.

          • John

            You mean the same Washington Post that for over a year now have printed fake story after fake story about Trump and his associates?

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha I didn’t know JW get involved in politics, I am pretty sure many white JW voted for him

          • Victor Orazi

            Jehovah’s Witnesses are funny, you have to agree with them, if you do not agree with them then they get violent, why people have to agree with you, you think that you own the truth but there are other worlds out there, so be open minded, do not accept information from one source, read from other sources, watch Pbs,don t be narrow minded.

          • Show me one case of violence taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses. They don’t even join the military and will go to prison for many years in order to not be force to be violent. You ARE ignorant and hate life.

          • Victor Orazi

            You a member of Betel, you are not in a position to talk, the day you and the Governing Body go in person and preach your message in the Middle East and you meet death, then you can give me a lecture, now you are a bunch of cowards hiding in Patterson

          • I am very sorry for you. It seems you hate God’s people. How do you think that is going to go with your Creator to have so much hate? You seem to think that the Governing Body has not preached in dangerous places. They have, and there are plenty of holy ones in the Middle East.

            Isaiah 48:18
            If only you would pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

          • Victor Orazi

            I am pretty sure that you work at Betel, what a pathetic people you are, people who work in places like this are afraid of the world, they can function in a real world, cowards need to hide in a building or a monastery or Headquarters like Patterson, I feel sorry for you and the Governing Body, I know they have a good life in Patterson, nice houses and brand new car what they drive. Feel sorry for you, have to lie all the time in order to have food on your table, ha ha. You live in a pedophile paradise, it hurts, you can’t stand the heat, get out of it. Believe, all these Apostates hate you.

          • Victor Orazi
          • Victor Orazi

            Go to the Middle East.

          • Victor Orazi

            then again, let me fart on your comments.

          • Victor Orazi

            Who goes to prison for not doing it, listen little brain, you and the Governing Body will be the first people to quit, remember the story of Eric Frost, he and all the members of Betel in Germany were the first one to quit and cursed the name of Jehovah, the members were persecuted but not the leader, the same happened in Argentina inn 1975, the members were persecuted but all the missionary people left Argentina afraid of the persecution.

          • mark

            Jehovah’s Witness serial killers: Kwauhuru Govan, Vladimir Gurianov, Elvira Egorycheva, Vester Lee Flanagan II,Peter Sutcliffe, Richard Dorrough. The first 3 one the list were killing for Jehovah.

          • Victor Orazi

            Wimp

          • Victor Orazi

            So what?

        • Victor Orazi

          Jehovah’s Witnesses failed prophecy of 1975 uttered by the evil sect:
          According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975. So six thousand years of man’s existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation.

          How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a Sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants!

          • Victor Orazi

            2000 was not stated to be the end, but there was strong indication that it would be impossible for Armageddon not to come before 2000.

            “And if the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century, which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation.” Watchtower 1980 Oct 15 p.31
            “Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.” The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216
            “Some of that “generation” could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that “the end” is much closer than that!” Watchtower 1984 Mar 1 pp.18-19
            “He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century”. Watchtower 1989 Jan 1 p.12.

        • Amelia Rodriguez

          What are you talking about? Have you even read our basic human rights ? The freedom of religion that Jehovah’s Witnesses cherish so much also comes with the freedom to leave and organization without any consequences… We should be free from judgement and persecution ( shunning) for leaving your Cult

          • You are an emotional cripple. That disease you have is deadly.

            All human sin is contained in emotions.

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha, I like this guy, he looks like Mussolini,the true is when a Jehovah’s Witness leaves the Borg and chooses to belong to another Christian denomination then that person will be expelled from the Borg, so what about freedom of religion?. Shunning somebody from the Borg is a blackmail, expelling somebody for changing religion is not a sin or Atheist like me since I was young.
            Now, why many people stay in the organization. For example, the members are Betel stay there because they can stay in a regular job and face the pressure of the World, Simply put, they are cowards and they hold to that life style even tough by their action many members die for not reason because of their lies, the Redaction Department is an evil place made up of pathetic clown who poison the minds of millions of idiots who want a magic solution and believe to a bunch of fairy tales found in an evil book called the Bible.

          • Just so you know. An ignorant person with a good heart can be educated and given help into reality.

            A STUPID person is a slave to their own diseases.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f226a979e14f3bd77d4dd8f03c23b589bfb9e180c59afb9308524ff575855a05.jpg

          • Victor Orazi

            An stupid person is slave of what he believes, atheist is free, Jehovah’s Witnesses are slave and servants of the GB. Losersssssssdddss

          • You have no respect for your own life, nor any of you children’s lives. That is what you are saying. You hate life and are happy to give it up so you can be free to allow your diseases of mind and body to control your life.

            You are a slave to your own desires and diseases that own you.

          • Victor Orazi

            Again, let me fart on your comments.

          • Victor Orazi

            Only for idiots at Patterson:

            Cord blood saving lives. Grayson Ommert is less than a day old, but he’s already a hero. The infant and his mother, Suzanne, donated their umbilical cord blood after he was born. … The stem cells that exist in the cord blood can be critical components in life-saving procedures that used to require bone marrow donations.Jun 30, 2012

          • Victor Orazi

            Let me fart on you and the GB, I take a lot of pleasure doing this on losersssssssssssss.

          • Victor Orazi
          • You will most likely die from any number of the 17,000 diseases given to us by our stupid ancestors, or trauma from car crash or from some other trauma. There is no escaping eternal death for those who hate the Creator.

            Or you will die from medical mistakes. The medical industry kills over 400,000 people a year now from retardation, the same disease you have.

          • Victor Orazi

            Why you don’t shut up with your stupid ilustration, you are a sick man.

          • Victor Orazi

            The Declaration of the Facts. Rutherford was pro German.
            The opening nine paragraphs stated that the members of the organization were peaceable and law-abiding, and were God’s “witnesses to the truth”. It further stated that they had been wrongly charged, and wished to present a true and faithful witness to officials about their role in God’s purposes, appealing for a fair and impartial hearing. It said the Bible revealed that Satan the Devil was an enemy of God and that, as in Jesus’ day, he used religious teachers and priests to distort the truth and foment opposition to his true representatives.
            The statement said they had been falsely and maliciously accused of receiving financial support from the Jews, insisting: “There has never been the slightest bit of money contributed to our work by the Jews.” It added:
            The greatest and most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire. By that is meant the British Empire, of which the United States of America forms a part. It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact particularly applies to the cities of London and New York, the stronghold of Big Business. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says: ‘The Jews own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills.’ We have no fight with any of these persons mentioned, but, as the witnesses for Jehovah and in obedience to his commandment set forth in the Scriptures, we are compelled to call attention to the truth concerning the same in order that the people may be enlightened concerning God and his purpose.

          • Rutherford was PRO everyone to find the Truth. Boundary’s, nations and such do not exist to Jehovah’s People. Many Jehovah’s Witnesses were killed by the NAZI’s and were in the same death camps as Jews.

          • Victor Orazi

            Amelia, don’t listen to this idiot, he works at Betel so he is an ass kisser of the GB, he is playing with your feeling, he is a cynical person who enjoys when people express negative comments of this cult but at the same time he is toilet cleaner with no secular education trying to win some points with the GB, he is a psychopath and just good for badness.

          • Medical science and the Bible are 100% accurate on this issue. If you are a slut and you spread diseases, you are sinning against life.

          • Victor Orazi

            The same if you lie to make a living, first you have no conscience and your are a cynical person, somebody who in the real world could be homeless, no secular education, only good to flip burgers or clean toilets.
            Classical representation of all the Witnesses working at Betel, good to flip burgers, way to go man.

          • Victor Orazi

            See you get violent, you said she is an emotional crippled, really you are a full of it.

          • The Bible is ACCURATE right down to the molecular understanding of life sciences. Every statement is based on PRESERVING life.

            When you have sex with anyone, you take on every disease they have. You literally become one flesh as was recorded in the Bible. If you want healthy children than you avoid any possible STD infection that can mutate your babies. The reason why humans, today, are so sickly weak and cannot even fight of a simple bacterial infection, is from this process of infected reproduction destroying the DNA/RNA cell replication from the healthy original design to the sickly weak and nearly extinct humans we see today.

            Here is a PERFECT example of where humans are heading, from infected reproduction.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLwUw3DWzf4

          • Victor Orazi

            The Bible never talks about molecular structure, the Bible is a book of fairy tales, complete contradictory from the very beginning, I give you many examples, the book of Genesis says that God created the Universe on the fourth day, second chapter man was created first before the animals, the Bible says that bats are birds, it says that a woman has to scream when is raped, it says that the Earth is a circle and flat, in the book of Revelation Satan is represented by a Dragon, unreal animal and John believed they existed, it was myth. Why you don’t shut up your stupid mouth.

          • You are an uneducated and full of hate. And you are most likely a manic depressive by your compulsive posting of hate for God’s people.

            Every statement on how to conduct oneself in terms of every day conduct with others as it pertains to health, is shown to be 100% accurate right down to the molecular level.

            The statements on sexual conduct are particularly PERFECT in terms of stopping mutagenic pathogens from mutating zygotes. You can’t get any more molecular than the understanding of reverse transcriptase destroying the healthy coding of babies.

            There are some 257,000 known HERV’s Human Endogenous Retroviruses found in the human species. Each one is an infection from infected sex causing a mutation in the zygote that is permanent on the germ line level. That is the reason why people are so stupid today and so emotionally controlled as you are.

            You carry a minimum of 1000 deleterious mutations in your body that were given to you by your ancestors SINS against life. Spreading diseases to each generation.

            This is why over 50% of the adults in the USA, alone, are on or have been on drugs for mental problems. Most of the rest seem to be self medicating on illegal drugs and alcohol.

            According to the renowned Professor of Genetics at Stanford, we are stupid, and far more emotional (mentally ill) that our ancestors as shown in DNA studies.

            We are degraded and full of inherited sins. Sins, diseases, mental illnesses, and degraded intelligence. We are stupid compared to our ancestors.

          • mark

            Humans are not, ” so sickly weak.” Humans are living longer and healthier lives than any time in human history. We know this not just from mortality records, but archaeological studies on the bones prehistoric peoples. Average life expectancies in paleolithic and neolithic times were were between 30-35 years. Disease from things like cancer, syphilis, diabetes, abscesses etc have been observed in the bones of our ancestors.
            Fact! We are currently living in the safest, most prosperous time in human history. Fewer people are dying from disaster, malnutrition, war, crime, poverty than any time in history.
            Stop the fear mongering. Shame on you!

          • Victor Orazi

            Mark, the man is getting more delusional.

          • mark

            This is hilarious. GoodScienceFYou wrote this on his Youtube page. He thinks apes are genetically degraded humans.

            “GoodScienceForYou
            3 years ago (edited)
            It totally supports the Truth. People are degrading, and this is an example of advanced degradation that took our ancestors into genetic degradation and turned them into apes, and chimpanzees.
            Have you looked at the chimpanzee arm bones. They are bowed. This is because they are a later speciation from the human lineage and it is clear when you watch them vs gorilla they run on all four, whereas gorilla runs on legs still.”

          • If you have intercourse for reproduction with a disease in your reproduction you get degradation. It really is that simple.
            We have some 98000 average ERV’s in our germ line. The total in our species is over 247,000 destructive ERV’s showing the degradation of mankind.
            Do you think those are magical too?
            Each one is an INFECTION at the germ line that has disrupted healthy DNA. When a virus enters a host cell it changes the DNA of it. This is how we got so sick. We now have some 17,000 known genetically caused diseases. and some 2000 “regular defects” that everybody thinks is normal. Bad backs, bad eyesight, bad teeth, thin bones, bad hearing, can’t smell even half as good as we once did and so on.

            Viral infections at conception are “RUTHLESS” AT DESTROYING HUMAN HEALTH.

            http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/03/what-is-cause-of-extreme-rise-in.html

            If you don’t KNOW what an infection does to human cells, then you need to learn.

            Viral INFECTIONS at conception lead to more and more genetic diseases.

            Virus is the NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF MUTATED cancer cells. It is what gives ANAL sex people warts and anal, bowel, and prostrate cancer. It is the cause of AIDS.

            https://www.google.com/search?q=Anal+warts&newwindow=1&safe=off&rlz=1C1ASUM_enUS533US533&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=hSS8U9WLAsmRyAS0hYHwDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1898&bih=923

            https://www.google.com/search?q=anal+cancer+images&newwindow=1&safe=off&rlz=1C1ASUM_enUS533US533&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=RiS8U7LyDoWnyASn9oHwAg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1898&bih=923

          • Victor Orazi

            Don’t forget to take your Prozac, you are becoming delusional.

          • And you cannot deal with reality. I am a life long scientist and have studied this far more than you ever will.

          • mark

            Lol, you did it again. Another biased religious blog. Total pseudoscience. Is your next post proof of ancient aliens? Post the actual study from the scientific peer reviewed journal. That is your challenge. Now, get to work.

          • Victor Orazi

            Amelia, do not listen to this Badsciencefyou, this Betel people are a bunch of losers, they can t hold a real job, looooooseerrssssssss.

          • There are no consequences for leaving Jehovah’s Witnesses, except you lose a lot of emotional and spiritual support in this horrible world.

            It is only sluts, whores, womanizer, lustful cripples who cannot stop sinning who are shunned. Do you really expect God’s people to accept diseased evil people as ministers of Jehovah? Do you like the fact that there are pedophiles sitting next to your children in churches, schools, and the university professors are all divorced for having sex with stupid young women.

            You give up life in order to suffer and die along with all of those who defy God’s rules that give life.

          • Victor Orazi

            Barbara Anderson said Jehovah’s witnesses is a Pedophilia paradise

          • 61n61

            Barbara Anderson is a disloyal sell out artist. Hang w/her long enough and she’ll sell you out too. Of course, in your case, you’d deserve it.

          • Victor Orazi

            Non sense comment.

          • Marcus Carlini

            Talking about sins, I have been studying with my friend for a while but there is something that is bugging me, this guy was conducting a Bible Study with this family but one day this Jehovah’s Witness raped the man’s daughter who at that time was 13 years old, the guy ended up in prison because the family pressed charges against him, this happened many years ago but it came to my knowledge now, now this man is free and he is an elder in the congregation. So I don’t understand, this man is rapist and registered sex offender and an elder, how in the world something like that happened?.

          • It is estimated that 1 in 3 adult men, according to scientific statistics are some sort of child molester or rapist.

            So the odds of some of them showing up as Jehovah’s Witnesses is pretty good. The MAIN difference is that Jehovah’s Witnesses kick them out as soon as they are discovered.

            And there is no possible way for a rape to occur if the fellow was following the rules for doing Bible Studies, or the parents listened to the Governing Body on this subject.

            In this extremely degraded and wicked world, the ONLY organization who teaches regularly to parents to NEVER let you child go along with ANYONE, is clear; that is Jehovah’s Witnesses. They have been teaching this for 50 years now.

            The absolute worst pedophiles are Baptists, then comes the Evangelicals. The largest case of this was in a MEGA church where they had a pedophile ring going for 40 years. By the time the victims came forth the preacher was 80 years old and sentence to spend the rest of his life in prison. The settlement was $1.5 BILLION.

            Jehovah’s Witnesses, NOT ONLY, recognize the problem, they do not hide it when it comes out. And they continue to remove from the fellowship those who commit gross sins.

            It is quite refreshing for me to find them in this world, considering that my daughter was molested by her mother’s lover.

            It is only stupid people who allow their children to be in the presence of adults. The worst offenders are Baptists, then comes Day Care workers, then comes Evangelicals (Pentecostals), then the Catholic priests, Then comes public school teachers, police officers, and way down on the bottom of the list are Jehovah’s Witnesses. These are facts.

          • Marcus Carlini

            What really strikes me that this guy, being a convicted pedophile and a registered sex offender is also an elder in the congregation, and I think the members do not know he is a pedophile because sometimes I see the guy talking to young girls, believe me, if I have a daughter I won’t let that guy get close to my daughter. I don’t understand why they choose this guy as an elder because a rapist is always a rapist, a moment of weakness can happen to sick people, like a gambler or a drug addict, sometimes they sin because of a bad moment or pressure. Another thing, I will inform parents that there is a sex offender in their midst.

          • What “guy”? If he is a registered sex offender then you will find him in a sex offender registry in your town and state. It takes about 30 seconds to get a map of sex offenders. What is his name, and what town does he live in? What is the name of the congregation?

          • I am asking for EVIDENCE. I require evidence in everything. I am an evidence ONLY scientist.

          • I would like to know if you have never committed a sin? Have you ever had sex without marriage? Have you drunk blood? Have you stolen anything? Have you passed on a serious disease to another person? Have you hit someone with your fists or hit them with a weapon for no reasons of self defense? Have you taken illegal drugs? Have you lied to anyone (most people tell lies every day and don’t even know they are lies, because they believe in so many lies? Have you hated anyone? The list is long of the stupid things people do. Sins are those things that promote disease suffering and death, even if you think you are doing something good, doesn’t matter. It is what God says that matters.

            One sin in Jehovah’s eyes is NOT worse than any others. People who teach Evolution are killing people right now because once a person believes in that delusional garbage, not backed by any evidence, they don’t follow any rules for health, spread diseases like animals (evolutionists believe they are animals and free to allow any compulsion to run their lives) and they tell lies, and they are just awful (while thinking they are helping people). The countries with the highest percentages of people who believe humans evolved from fish, have the fastest rising death rates from diseases. So, teaching Evolution is deadly and is a form of murder. Even so, Jehovah has a way to save all from their sins. If you want it.

            And what some other person does in the congregation has NOTHING to do with YOUR relationship with God. The WHOLE PURPOSE of the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses is to help each other as PEER Bible Students. That is what Jehovah’s Witnesses are. Peer Bible Students and nothing more. There is no “high” nor “low” in the congregation and the newest members are the same as the oldest members.

            Not one Jehovah’s Witness takes wages for preaching. It is all voluntary and completely voluntary. There is no coercion to do anything. If you want to do more you have to almost beg to do it. If you want to clean a toilet you have to ask for it. It is the most reasonable organization on the planet. Jehovah only wants people who, from their own heart, want to serve God.

        • Victor Orazi

          haha very pathetic comment

          • Those, like you who hate life as much as you do, will never find peace, never had happiness, never have anything.

            Without life you are nothing.

          • Bruce

            I aim to please.

          • So, you hate yourself so much that you would not want life? Jehovah God is so “terrible” that he wants you to get free from the slavery to your sexual, greedy, and hateful lusts, and allow you to live free from the bonds of slavery to some 27,000 diseases that you love so much. Mental, emotional, physical diseases that own your life.

          • peter

            So, what is wrong with cleaning toilets? What do you mean about getting a proper job? What would happen if arrogant people like yourself were the only ones to live on this earth, no doubt you’d live in filth. Also, you keep harping on about going to an Islamic country to preach, how do you know that witnesses are not already operating in those countries? Do you think it’s going to be public knowledge that they operate in countries where their lives may be at risk? You’re not very smart if that’s what you think.

      • mark

        I would have thought Russia’s reason for banning the religion would have been based on their poor history of protecting children from sexual predators. Two years ago the Australian Royal Commission investigated the religion of 67,000. They found 1006 accused perpetrators and almost 2000 victims. 512 have been submitted to the various police depts.
        In addition, the UK Charities commission is currently suing them for the same in order to remove their status as a charity.
        In addition, there is currently a $66 million class action lawsuit against the WT in Canada, also regarding their child protection record.
        In addition, there have been about $100 million in lawsuits over the past few years in the U.S. for the same.
        With all of these millions in lawsuits, it may not be necessary to ban their literature. You would think they would naturally have to cut back on the literature due to lack of funds. Time will tell if they start cutting back on their publications.

        • Amelia Rodriguez

          Certainly, and it’s also their extremist views on everyone that is not a Jehovah’s Witness… They are taught to stay away from them because they are under the influence of Satan, the devil and any religion that’s not of the Jehovah’s Witnesses are Satan worshippers pretty offencive

      • Victor Orazi

        That s very true, only idiots can see the point, but the Governing Body fought for freedom in order to enslave their members, plus taking the inheritance of old people, horrible sect, satanic and diabolic.

        • 61n61

          So true, Victor, only idiots can see the point which puts you in rarified company at the head of that class. Congratulations!

        • Elijah Ajibode

          I wonder why you like to tell lies, why you hate the truth, is it not in your own bible that you will know the truth and the truth will set you free John 8: 32 to worship God is not by force, it is take it or leave it. One thing you don’t know is that you are also preaching to people who did not hear about Jehovah before they will like to know why the ban and the hatred, Jehovah’s witnesses will show them from the Bible, contniue or stop now you can not stop Jehovah to excute his judgement when the time comes.

          • Victor Orazi

            If we believe every word in the Bible as coming from God, then it stands to reason that the violent actions from the God described in Exodus cannot give us a moral comparison to live our lives in a peaceful world.

            If one wishes to believe that God possess love for His creations, then the killing of innocent children cannot possibly come from God, and therefore, these verses from the Bible must have come elsewhere. But note that if one takes the Bible’s words as absolute truth, then not only did God smote the firstborn children, but all firstborn regardless of age. This means all firstborn teenagers, firstborn men & women, firstborn octogenarians, and even all firstborn cows and bulls. Regardless of how much love, charity, or goodness they may have imparted to the world, if they had the unfortunate luck to have first passed through their mother’s vagina in the land of Egypt, according to the Bible, God killed them!

          • Victor Orazi

            What a horrible God is Jehovah?. You mean he will kill 8 billions people because we don’t think like a Jehovah s Witness and I don’t do his will according to the Watchtower Inc. I give you examples of Jehovah’s violent behavior in the past.
            If we believe every word in the Bible as coming from God, then it stands to reason that the violent actions from the God described in Exodus cannot give us a moral comparison to live our lives in a peaceful world.

            If one wishes to believe that God possess love for His creations, then the killing of innocent children cannot possibly come from God, and therefore, these verses from the Bible must have come elsewhere. But note that if one takes the Bible’s words as absolute truth, then not only did God smote the firstborn children, but all firstborn regardless of age. This means all firstborn teenagers, firstborn men & women, firstborn octogenarians, and even all firstborn cows and bulls. Regardless of how much love, charity, or goodness they may have imparted to the world, if they had the unfortunate luck to have first passed through their mother’s vagina in the land of Egypt, according to the Bible, God killed them!

          • Amelia Rodriguez

            Do you only say their lies because you haven’t researched it read a newspaper, you’re afraid you’re going to get disfellowshipped for seeking out the truth? Get out of her!

          • So, from what you are saying, you got disfellowshipped for being a slut, the most common reason for women to be disfellowshipped.

            The truth is you are stupid to sin against God. If you want life you need to change and follow God’s Laws of life.

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha you are a fart in the dark.

          • Victor Orazi

            I don’t hate the truth, I hate Watchtower lies.

          • Victor Orazi

            The truth according to the Watchtower.

        • Anna Foster Woodard

          Ugghh semantics. A true follower of the bible does not predict the “end of the world ” like exact day, year, ect. How stupid is that! U take a few errors that have occurred throughout the centuries and make a generalized statement like that…thats like saying that ALL Catholics are bad because they molest and abuse children…really? My grandmother took me to church EVERDAY to do the stations of the cross. Everyday for years and years. Why doesn’t anyone call that “enslavement”? I think that someone’s a little butt hurt over “something ” and the only thing I identify as diabolic and evil are the Satanic verbiages spewing out of your heart and mouth. Nobody died…no harm no foul …chill dude

          • Victor Orazi

            Critics claim that in many cases, members of Jehovah’s Witnesses have been prevented from reporting child molestation to civil authorities.[43] Particularly since around 2000, the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization has been accused of covering up cases of child molestation committed by its members. In February 2001, Christianity Today—an evangelical journal that disagrees with the theological perspective of Jehovah’s Witnesses—printed an article reporting allegations that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ policies made reporting sexual abuse difficult for members, and did not conform to typical treatment of such cases. The article also included a response by representatives of Jehovah’s Witnesses.[44]

            The BBC reported allegations of a cover-up in July 2002, in an episode of Panorama entitled “Suffer the Little Children”.[45] The report revealed that the headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Watch Tower Society, requires all congregations to submit details of child abuse allegations and maintains an internal database on all cases of child abuse reported to them.[12] It described one case where a child came forward to the elders of her congregation to report sexual abuse by her father, but was sent home, despite their having known for three years that her father was an abuser. When the girl eventually went to the police, her father was convicted and sentenced to five years in prison.[45]

            According to Witness spokesman J. R. Brown, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not required to report crimes to elders before calling civil authorities. Victims and their families are free to call police, he said, although some don’t choose to.[46] The Watch Tower Society maintains a policy with no explicit requirement for elders to report all child abuse cases where such is not required by law. Elders are instructed to “leave matters in Jehovah’s hands” if an abuser denies the accusations and there is no second witness available.[43][44]

        • RHDB

          Wait did you say satanic? You are becoming more contradictory. An atheist who believes in the devil. Oh so you don’t believe that there’s a God but you believe that there’s a devil? If you believe there’s a devil then you know that there are creatures more powerful than humans. Which makes all your statements baseless. Mmmm

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha yes, I believe that there is a devil located in Patterson, NY.

      • Irakli Bokuchava

        I know about JW,that this sect isn’t totalitarian and their members have right to leave sect without any problems.

      • Anna Foster Woodard

        Hmmm the only consequence is that u chose OUT .buh-bye

        • Victor Orazi

          JW do not accept blood transfusion but now organ transplants are accepted, but in 1969 the Watchtower Inc. was against that procedure. Back then the WT magazine implied that having an organ transplant was cannibalism comparing that to drinking blood

          • Victor Orazi

            Jehovah’s Witnesses sued in Canada over history of sex abuse cover-up
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            By Trey Bundy / October 20, 2017

            Current and former Jehovah’s Witnesses in Canada have filed a $66 million class-action lawsuit against the religion’s leadership claiming that its policies protect members who sexually abuse children.

            The suit was filed in Ontario on behalf of alleged victims of sexual abuse across Canada, where more than 100,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses reside.

            “It appears the organization has not established policies to prevent sexual abuse from happening and has faulty policies when sexual abuse is reported to it, at the hands of elders or otherwise,” said Bryan McPhadden, the lead attorney on the case.

            McPhadden said that since filing the suit he’s fielded calls from dozens of alleged victims interested in joining.

            Another class-action suit against Jehovah’s Witnesses was filed last month on behalf of victims in Quebec.

            An ongoing investigation by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting has found that the religion’s parent corporation, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, instructs local leaders to hide child abuse from law enforcement as a matter of policy.

            For more than 20 years, the Watchtower has collected the names of alleged child abusers in its congregations across the U.S. The organization has provided some of its child abuse files to courts in civil lawsuits, but they are under a protective order and can’t be viewed by law enforcement or the public.

        • Victor Orazi

          I have a question for you, suppose that a Patient who is a Jehovah’s Witness and he is hospitalized and received a blood transfusion and you saw it and you know for a fact that this brother committed a sin, will you inform the elders about this brother who got a blood transfusion?.

      • Sergey Afanasev

        Вы можете свободно покинуть религиозную организацию свидетелей Иеговы. Но следует учитывать, что любая религиозная организация, накладывает на своих членов определенные требования. Вы можете быть католичкой и не верить в троицу? Быть баптистов и оправдывать крещение детей, или использование икон? Это нонсенс. Большинство религиозных организаций – протестантских, иудейских, мусульманских не общаются с бывшими членами. Это так же справедливо для многих других социальных групп. Если вы резко меняете убеждения, у вас изменится и круг общения.

        • Amelia Rodriguez

          I am pretty sure my response was in English, I don’t know why you’re replying to me in Russian

          • Victor Orazi

            When did you see an intelligent Russian lol.

          • It must be so “terrible” to you that Jehovah God wants you to stop sinning against life and for you to live. What a horrible God that LOVES you so much as to want you to have life forever.

          • Victor Orazi

            Tell that to the many gay people who are at Betel having sex in secret.

      • Russell Forry

        Are you talking about Russia?

        • Victor Orazi

          I can see Russia from my house.

      • So, what you are saying is that you oppose life as granted by God.

        • Amelia Rodriguez

          I’m saying that the god you serve is quite an evil God that is not a god of love.. a God of love choose life not death a god of love is a God that requires Mercy not sacrifice.. Jesus taught that love with unconditional the love of Jehovah’s Witnesses is conditional.. you only love Jehovah’s Witnesses. Jesus loved everybody Gentiles Jews prostitutes Beggars lepers criminals and he taught forgiveness he did not shun anyone rather he broke bread with them healed them and loved them your God is a wretched homewrecker

          • So, you are an emotional cripple! It is clear from your posting that you have no idea what you are talking about, but someone has fed you lies.

            How are JW’s home wreckers, when they are the STRONGEST promoters of God’s way of family and love for all of humanity.

          • Victor Orazi

            Jehovah’s Witnesses the best place for Pedophiles.

          • Victor Orazi

            Science, you are a pathetic clown, get a real job, be a man not a loseeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.-

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            Jehovah’s Witnesses link to UN queried
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            Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
            Monday 8 October 2001 18.42 EDT First published on Monday 8 October 2001 18.42 EDT
            The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation.
            Disaffected members of the 6m-strong group, which has 130,000 followers in the UK, have accused the Witnesses’ elderly governing body of hypocrisy in secretly accepting links with an organisation that they continue to denounce in apocalyptic terms.

            The UN itself admitted yesterday that it was surprised that the sect, whose formal name is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, had been accepted on its list of non-governmental organisations for the last 10 years.

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            A former member said: “There is a glaring inconsistency which has emerged between the WTBTS’s frequent portrayal of the UN as an evil organisation and its behind-the-scenes attempts to curry favour with that organisation. Were individual members to be aware of any formal link they would be devastated.

            “By no stretch of the imagination could the WTBTS be considered to share the ideals of the UN charter unless you suppose that destruction of the UN by God is consistent with that charter.”

            The Witnesses, most frequently encountered by non-members when they attempt to make doorstep conversions, have faced accusations of bad faith before.

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            These have been most notably over the hierarchy’s insistence that members should not accept blood transfusions and over accusations that sexual abuse of children by Witnesses’ ministers in the US have been covered up.

            Followers who criticise the Witnesses’ leaders or question their decisions are routinely “disfellowshipped” which means fellow members including their families must shun them.

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            An obscure and ill-publicised decision by the hierarchy in New York last year modifying the prohibition on transfusions by deeming that God had revealed to them that transfusions of some blood components might be acceptable, providing there was later repentance, has come too late for many hundreds of followers known to have died because they refused blood.

            In child abuse cases, the hierarchy insists there must be two independent witnesses – an almost impossible stipulation – before accusations are investigated.

            The Watchtower Society has been denouncing the UN and its predecessor the League of Nations for 80 years, believing them to be a world empire of false religion, predicted in the Book of Revelation.

            A recent publication since the organisation obtained its recognition describes the UN as “a disgusting thing in the sight of God and his people”.

            In an internal document, the WTBTS describes its policy as a “theocratic war strategy”. It claims: “In time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary it does much good.”

            Being a recognised NGO with the United Nations – as more than 1,500 organisations are – gives status though not grants.

            To qualify, organisations must show that they share the ideals of the charter, operate on a non-profit basis, “demonstrate interest in UN issues and proven ability to reach large or specialised audiences” and have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities.

            Disaffected Witnesses believe that the association, which has not been publicised to followers, is intended to increase the cult’s respectability to sceptical governments, such as France’s, which have refused to recognise it.

            Paul Gillies, the Witnesses’ spokesman in Britain, said: “We do not have hostile attitudes to governing bodies and if we are making representations on issues to the UN we will do so.”

            “There are good and bad bodies just as there are good and bad politicians. We believe what the Book of Revelation tells us but we do not actively try to change the political system.”

            A spokeswoman for the UN said: “I think we may not be aware of their attitude, which seems to be really strange.”

          • Victor Orazi

            Georgy Boy, come down, remember the fruits of the spirit.

        • Victor Orazi

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          Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
          Monday 8 October 2001 18.42 EDT First published on Monday 8 October 2001 18.42 EDT
          The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation.
          Disaffected members of the 6m-strong group, which has 130,000 followers in the UK, have accused the Witnesses’ elderly governing body of hypocrisy in secretly accepting links with an organisation that they continue to denounce in apocalyptic terms.

          The UN itself admitted yesterday that it was surprised that the sect, whose formal name is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, had been accepted on its list of non-governmental organisations for the last 10 years.

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          A former member said: “There is a glaring inconsistency which has emerged between the WTBTS’s frequent portrayal of the UN as an evil organisation and its behind-the-scenes attempts to curry favour with that organisation. Were individual members to be aware of any formal link they would be devastated.

          “By no stretch of the imagination could the WTBTS be considered to share the ideals of the UN charter unless you suppose that destruction of the UN by God is consistent with that charter.”

          The Witnesses, most frequently encountered by non-members when they attempt to make doorstep conversions, have faced accusations of bad faith before.

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          These have been most notably over the hierarchy’s insistence that members should not accept blood transfusions and over accusations that sexual abuse of children by Witnesses’ ministers in the US have been covered up.

          Followers who criticise the Witnesses’ leaders or question their decisions are routinely “disfellowshipped” which means fellow members including their families must shun them.

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          An obscure and ill-publicised decision by the hierarchy in New York last year modifying the prohibition on transfusions by deeming that God had revealed to them that transfusions of some blood components might be acceptable, providing there was later repentance, has come too late for many hundreds of followers known to have died because they refused blood.

          In child abuse cases, the hierarchy insists there must be two independent witnesses – an almost impossible stipulation – before accusations are investigated.

          The Watchtower Society has been denouncing the UN and its predecessor the League of Nations for 80 years, believing them to be a world empire of false religion, predicted in the Book of Revelation.

          A recent publication since the organisation obtained its recognition describes the UN as “a disgusting thing in the sight of God and his people”.

          In an internal document, the WTBTS describes its policy as a “theocratic war strategy”. It claims: “In time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary it does much good.”

          Being a recognised NGO with the United Nations – as more than 1,500 organisations are – gives status though not grants.

          To qualify, organisations must show that they share the ideals of the charter, operate on a non-profit basis, “demonstrate interest in UN issues and proven ability to reach large or specialised audiences” and have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities.

          Disaffected Witnesses believe that the association, which has not been publicised to followers, is intended to increase the cult’s respectability to sceptical governments, such as France’s, which have refused to recognise it.

          Paul Gillies, the Witnesses’ spokesman in Britain, said: “We do not have hostile attitudes to governing bodies and if we are making representations on issues to the UN we will do so.”

          “There are good and bad bodies just as there are good and bad politicians. We believe what the Book of Revelation tells us but we do not actively try to change the political system.”

          A spokeswoman for the UN said: “I think we may not be aware of their attitude, which seems to be really strange.”

        • Victor Orazi

          Your pathetic god is the one that needs to prove he is alive, believe me even the GB doesn’t believe in him, btw Jehovah is the son of El, remember they all were Canaanite​ Gods, read Salm 82, one is El and the other Jehovah.

          • I am sorry for you. It is too bad that you would give up your life and oppose the Creator of the universe. Yehovah, Jehovah is God’s name as he told us. Your god is SATAN the ruler of your emotional diseases.

          • Victor Orazi

            Jehovah is not the creator, only little brain can’t understand this point like you, oooh I forgot, you make profit out of his name, you can eat for free while millions of idiots donate money so you can enjoy life, not bad, how can you sleep of night Georgy boy?

          • You are stupid. The Bible CLEARLY states that YOU MUST HUMBLY APPROACH JEHOVAH GOD, and beg forgiveness, to see any results in your life.

            Every PRAYER I HAVE done has come true and the results are amazing. But you may never have that chance to know Jehovah God’s “hands” in your life.

      • Victor Orazi

        A YouTube video recently uploaded by a delegate to one of the 2014 international conventions is causing a stir among current and former Witnesses alike.

        Now with over 11,000 views the video, shot on June 6th by a delegate to the Detroit international convention, shows an entertainment event being hosted in what appears to be a kingdom hall.

        Jehovah’s Witnesses from three different congregations are shown partying with their delegate guests to a series of songs, mostly comprising ‘worldly’ hits from the Sixties.

        Classic hits such as “Stand By Me,” “Up On The Roof” and “Stay” are performed by a musical ensemble led by an older brother on the drums, who introduces each song as though it has a ‘theocratic’ angle. Delegates are told that “Stand By Me,” for example, has “lyrics that emphasize the closeness that we have to each other in Jehovah’s organization.”

        Once the band has vacated the stage, the kingdom hall later erupts into dancing to the song “Happy” by rapper Pharrell Williams (see time marker 29:55). This is the same song that was recently danced to by a number of former Witnesses, including yours truly, in a special video.

      • Victor Orazi

        A YouTube video recently uploaded by a delegate to one of the 2014 international conventions is causing a stir among current and former Witnesses alike.

        Now with over 11,000 views the video, shot on June 6th by a delegate to the Detroit international convention, shows an entertainment event being hosted in what appears to be a kingdom hall.

        Jehovah’s Witnesses from three different congregations are shown partying with their delegate guests to a series of songs, mostly comprising ‘worldly’ hits from the Sixties.

        Classic hits such as “Stand By Me,” “Up On The Roof” and “Stay” are performed by a musical ensemble led by an older brother on the drums, who introduces each song as though it has a ‘theocratic’ angle. Delegates are told that “Stand By Me,” for example, has “lyrics that emphasize the closeness that we have to each other in Jehovah’s organization.”

        Once the band has vacated the stage, the kingdom hall later erupts into dancing to the song “Happy” by rapper Pharrell Williams (see time marker 29:55). This is the same song that was recently danced to by a number of former Witnesses, including yours truly, in a special video.

      • Victor Orazi

        What about Freedom from Religion, every Religion.

    • Victor Orazi

      The reason Jehovah’s Witnesses are persecuted because this sect is very extremist and put the life of their member in danger by not allowing them to have blood transfusion, shunning members who are disfellowship, etc. Good for Russia, they should be banned all over the world.

      • Irakli Bokuchava

        I know only,that JW had problems in France,with French government!!!

        • Victor Orazi

          The Watchtower did not want to pay taxes, it s the love of money.

          • Raylene Hadebe

            Mathew 22:21- Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God. Jehovah’s people are law abiding, but they will not obey a man over the laws of God.

            It’s more the fact that they love God, not the latter.

            Mark 13:9 – Jesus told his disciples they would be handed to local courts. And the best is verse 13, where he warned his disciples s that they would be hated on account of his name.

            So I guess all of this is evidence of a true religion. Wow so much hatred you guys. It’s not that difficult to be nice to be people, why all the hostility

          • Victor Orazi

            I only say that the Watchtower is the one that teaches to pay taxes but the Watchtower like any Babylonian religion didn’t want to pay taxes in France, corrupted sect.

          • RHDB

            Is it fair that other religious groups are exempt from paying taxes, and witnesses should? Consider the point that taxes are paid from businesses that operate to generate a profit for its shareholders. Thus, should pay tax. Since Jehovah’s Witnesses have a non profit organization, and do not run a profitable business, and all income is volunteered contribution toward expenses, legally they should be exempt.

            Since they are classified as a non profit organization the benefits must be treated the same as others in this catagory.

          • Victor Orazi

            They make money, every religion makes money, see how well they live, their leaders live like kings, they don’t need salaries, they have people that work for free, people who clean their houses, cook for them, free health care, they travel all over the world in first class, first class hotels, brand new cars, they don’t have salaries but it is all contributions, they take vacations more than their members. That is the way the Governing Body live, of course is a non profit organization, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t use the contributions for their lavish lifestyle style.

          • Elijah Ajibode

            It seems you are not serious, is Watchtower a commercial business? Jehovah’s Witnesses individually are law abiding they pay their taxes in their localities, what you have just said is part of the persecutions, which other religion in the world is paying tax for their religion? You as a person when did you pay your tax last? let government come and audit you if they will not indite you. If the whole is like Jehovah’s Witnesses you sleep and close your eyes in your houses, but if you will say the truth, when did you sleep soundly last, why are you scared? Read Bible Matt, 24:1 to the end and 2 Timothy 3: 1-5 that is the cause, who has ever told you this except Jehovah’s Witnesses.

          • Victor Orazi

            No religion pay taxes, they should because they use that money to buy expensive houses so their leaders can live like kings while their members struggle to pay rent or mortgage, that is the case of the Governing Body.They make money, every religion makes money, see how well they live, their leaders live like kings, they don’t need salaries, they have people that work for free, people who clean their houses, cook for them, free health care, they travel all over the world in first class, first class hotels, brand new cars, they don’t have salaries but it is all contributions, they take vacations more than their members. That is the way the Governing Body live, of course is a non profit organization, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t use the contributions for their lavish lifestyle.

        • Victor Orazi

          But in one corner of spiritual life, the French state does more than maintain the secular dress code: it actively investigates and prosecutes groups it considers a threat to the state as cults. That includes Jehovah’s Witnesses, Scientologists and many forms of Pentacostal Protestantism that are also perfectly acceptable in the US. Some 300 groups are listed by the French state as displaying “cult-like tendencies,” such as manipulating people who are mentally weak, separating members from their biological families or demanding too much money, just to name a few.

      • peter

        Or maybe the reason they are persecuted, is because Jesus said that his followers would be persecuted? John 15:20.

        • Victor Orazi

          There are followers of many Christian Religions, that s the problem.

          • peter

            And yet jw’s get special attention, as Jesus said would happen.

          • Victor Orazi

            No, Christians of different denominations are persecuted in the world, not only Jehovah’s witnesses.

          • peter

            Hang on, you were the one that said “jw’s are persecuted because they are extremists” that’s what you said, and now you’re saying that all denominations are persecuted. Make your mind up.

          • Victor Orazi

            I did not say all denominations, read it again Peter the not so Great.

          • peter

            So why are jw’s persecuted? And which other denominations are also persecuted?

          • Victor Orazi

            For what they believe.

          • Elijah Ajibode

            Yes it is true, they also hate Jesus and even killed him for truth sake, for Jesus said that I am the way and the truth John 14:6 Do your part and leave the rest, because there is body that can stop God from doing his work and fulfilling his promises, he will definitely do it.

          • Victor Orazi

            Still he could not fulfill one promise yet, show me the evidence about his all mighty power.

        • RHDB

          And also they have exposed all the false doctrines taught by the churches. Trinity, immortality of the soul, hellfire. A God of love could never burn us. 1 John 4:8 clearly then they don’t know God.

          • Elijah Ajibode

            Yes you are welcome bros

          • Victor Orazi

            A god of love won’t burn people in hell but he will execute 8 billion people in Armageddon, even little children, innocent children, virgins, etc. Well, he did it in the past, we have the cases of Moses and Joshua. They massacred thousands of people because Jehovah the loving God said so.
            If we believe every word in the Bible as coming from God, then it stands to reason that the violent actions from the God described in Exodus cannot give us a moral comparison to live our lives in a peaceful world.

            If one wishes to believe that God possess love for His creations, then the killing of innocent children cannot possibly come from God, and therefore, these verses from the Bible must have come elsewhere. But note that if one takes the Bible’s words as absolute truth, then not only did God smote the firstborn children, but all firstborn regardless of age. This means all firstborn teenagers, firstborn men & women, firstborn octogenarians, and even all firstborn cows and bulls. Regardless of how much love, charity, or goodness they may have imparted to the world, if they had the unfortunate luck to have first passed through their mother’s vagina in the land of Egypt, according to the Bible, God killed them!

          • RHDB

            The Bible is evident of Gods love for humans.
            1. He sent his son as a ransom to buy back what Adam lost. John 4:34
            2. As the creator he requires exclusive devotion. Nahum 1:2
            3. Vs 3, he is slow to anger.
            4. Doesn’t want any to be destroyed 2Peter 3:9
            5. He only ever executed judgement against people who worshipped false gods or who were in opposition to him. In the case of Moses and the Israelites, his people were afflicted and held as slaves to Pharaoh. They were wicked, even Pharaoh said who is Jehovah that I should let his people go? Exodus 5:2, he didn’t recognize Jehovah as the true God.
            6. The same as when any natural disaster occurs (tsunami’s) humans are given ample time to prepare, this is why JW’s preach, to warn people.
            7. Jehovah is God of love but also a God of justice. He wants to put an end to mankind’s suffering and he longs to take action. Deut 32:4
            8. Jesus is ruling as king in heaven and this kingdom or government will put an end to human rulership.Dan 2:44
            9. The wicked have to be removed. Prov 2:22
            10. The reason why there is so much problems is because of the issue raised in the garden of Eden. Jehovah had to allow time to settle the matter. Satan rules the earth. And will be removed John12:31,
            11. Earth will be made a paradise and righteous will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29
            12. Dead will be resurrected, a real hope. Acts 24:15

          • Victor Orazi

            Nothing of what you said happened, you don’t have any evidences to prove your points, there were many Gospels written at that time and they contradict each other even the Gospels in the Bible also they contradict with the Gospel of Judah.

          • Victor Orazi

            Go and expose Islam but in the Middle East, it is a good way to put your faith to the test.

          • Victor Orazi

            Like I said, just go to the Middle East and preach your message there.

          • Marcus Carlini

            How can you prove that the immortality of the soul and hell fire are false, for example, you mention two words and they are: Earthly Paradise, now the words Earthly Paradise are not mentioned in the Bible so how that could be true?.

        • Victor Orazi

          May be Peter the not so great should go to the Islamic World to preach your pseudo good news and take the Governing Body with you, that will be the day, you will be pooping your pants with an extensive dhiarrea and at the end you will be converted to Islam in order to save your ass lol.

          • peter

            Or maybe Victor immature, you need to go to a better university, that way they’ll teach you its maybe and not “may be”.

          • Victor Orazi

            I went to Trump University.

          • Bruce

            It goes without saying …

          • Victor Orazi

            Just go to the Middle East and preach your message to the Islamic people.

          • Victor Jehovah

            Bla bla

          • RHDB

            Yep I agree, he can’t even spell “diarrhea” hahaaaaaaa! Some University this “Trump” 😂😂

          • Victor Orazi

            English as my second language not bad.

          • Victor Orazi

            Thanks for the correction

          • 61n61

            This is a subject Victor is well versed in. When it comes to pants pooping and extensive diarrhea, he’s a legend in his own behind.

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha 61n61 what name is that?

        • Victor Orazi

          How did Erich Frost react?

          In anger at his betrayal by Fehst, he betrayed to the Gestapo, the remaining seven district servants:-

          Artur Nawroth
          Otto Dauth
          Fred Meier
          Walter Friese
          Heinrich Ditschi
          Albert Wandres
          Karl Siebeneichler (perished in Sachsenhausen)

          Full details are available of this affair are to be found in the book

          “Die Falschspieler Gottes”; the primary source for it is:-

          “Haftbuch Nr. 292, Gestapo Berlin, Dienststelle II B 2”

          This Gestapo document reveals that no torture was used on Frost; his anger at Fehst was sufficent for him to tell the Gestapo all they needed. After this he spent a short time in Sacshenhausen, and then was moved to the German-occupied British Channel Island of Alderney, until the end of the war, when he resumed his duties as the Watchtower branch chief (with a new set of district servants, naturally).

          • 61n61

            You left this out:

            “Frost Defended

            “Bret Werb, Music Specialist at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum (see link above), defends the inclusion of Frost at their website. In correspondence with the webmaster in May 2002, he states, “You ask for specific references exonerating Frost from the charges leveled by ex-Witnesses. I am not a specialist in this area but defer to scholars who maintain that these accusations originated primarily with East German attempts to discredit Witness leadership during the cold war era. The Spiegel article (which appeared in 1961) may accordingly be seen in the light of such “disinformation campaigns.” On the Stasi and anti-Witness propaganda, see Detlef Garbe, “Between Resistance and Martyrdom” (pp. 255-256). On the JW experience under Hitler, see “Persecution and Resistance of Jehovah’s Witnesses During the Nazi Regime, 1933-1945,” edited by Hans Hesse (with contributions by my former Museum colleagues Henry Friedlander and Sybil Milton). In quasi-disclaimer fashion, I note that these sources were brought to my attention by JW archivists. You may seek further documentation (most of it in German) by writing these archivists, Jolene Chu in Brooklyn and Johannes Wrobel in Selters, Germany.”

            Disinformation campaigns against JW’s existed long before punks like you took up the practice.

          • Victor Orazi

            Another article so retarded people like you can read, it is about the Declaration of the Fact, 1933, Rutherford beside being Antisemite takes side with Germany:
            Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart … A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications, and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness and who obey the Most High. Instead, therefore, of our literature and our work’s being a menace to the principles of the present government we are the strongest supporters of such high ideals.

          • Victor Orazi
          • Victor Orazi

            What has not generally been known either by most Jehovah’s Witnesses or many independent scholars, however, is that while ordinary German Witnesses did generally maintain their integrity and commitment to their principles, their leaders–the Watch Tower’s second president, Judge Joseph F. Rutherford, and the man who succeeded him in office in 1942, Nathan H. Knorr, plus high German Watch Tower officials-did not.

            Furthermore, Rutherford and his lieutenants tried to save the German arm of their movement by scapegoating the Jews and attacking Great Britain, the United States, and the League of Nations.

            During the first half of their history, the Bible Student-Jehovah’s Witnesses were notable for their sympathy to the Jews. Even more than most late nineteenth- and twentieth-century American Protestant premillennialists, the Watch Tower’s first president, Charles T. Russell, was a thoroughgoing supporter of Zionist causes. He refused to attempt the conversion of the Jews, believed in the Jewish resettlement of Palestine, and in 1910, led a New York Jewish audience in singing the Zionist anthem, Hatikva. [1] For more than a decade after Russell’s death in 1916, Judge Rutherford followed in his footsteps

          • Victor Orazi

            Only for retarded people:

            RUTHERFORD’S LETTER TO HITLER

            This letter gets very little mention in Watchtower publications, so one immediately looks for a cover-up. Here is a partial listing of interesting statements taken from that letter.

            “The Brooklyn headquarters of the Watchtower Society is pro German in an exemplary way and has been so for many years. For that reason, in 1918, the President of the Society and seven members of the board of directors were sentenced to 80 years in prison, because the president refused to use two of the magazines published in America under his direction for war propaganda against Germany. These two magazines…were the only magazines in America which refused to engage in anti-German propaganda…”.

            “…that the Bible Researchers of Germany are fighting for the very same high ethical goals and ideals which also the national Government of the German Reich proclaimed respecting the relationship of humans to God…

            “…the contents of the books which were criticized only refers to the situation and actions within the Anglo-American world power–especially England–which is responsible for the League of Nations and it contracts and burdens imposed upon Germany. What is written in our literature–no matter whether from a financial or political point of view–is only directed towards the suppressors of the German people and their country, but by no means refers to Germany itself, which is trying hard to fight against the imposed burdens…”

            The Watchtower letter goes one step further and quotes paragraph 24 of the program of the National Socialistic German Party of Workers, which reads

            “We demand the freedom of all religious denominations within the state, as far as they do not endanger the state itself or violate the moral values of the German race. The party as such represents the viewpoint of positive Christianity without being attached to any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit inside and outside of us and is convinced that any recovery of the German people can only take place from the inside out”.

            The letter goes on to appeal to the above statement, claiming that WT activities fall within government guidelines. The letter has the familiar generic signature of “The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Magdeburg”.

            This letter does not sound like a later recalling of that time period by the Awake! of August 22, 1995 which says,

            “These Bible-based beliefs determined the steadfast stand of Jehovah’s Witnesses against the Nazi ungodly demands. Thus they courageously spoke out and exposed Nazism as the evil that it was”.

            The facts set the matter straight. When all appealing and supporting of the German Reich by the Watchtower failed, then, and only then, did Rutherford begin to make angry and reckless statements against Hitler, even calling him the devil’s representative.

            In fact, it appears that his unleashed anger and outrageous statements

          • Victor Orazi

            You need to read the Book Jehovah Witnesses and the Third Reich.

          • Victor Orazi

            An article in the German magazine Der Spiegel of 19 July 1961 has an interesting article about Jehovah’s Witnesses and their history during World War II. Jehovah’s Witnesses have not compromised much with the Nazis. But its leaders – that’s another story. Erich Frost was present at a TJ assembly at the Hamburger Stadtpark on July 22, 1961, where the President of the Watchtower, Nathan Homer Knorr, also attended. Frost was Watchtower leader in Germany, but then Konrad Franke took that position.

            They were all present and the story that Frost told the audience (coming from 50 countries) about his registration in the war was a blatant lie. According to the magazine Der Spiegel , Frost denounced the JW to the Gestapo – he told them everything they wanted to know. He was a traitor, nothing more. He did not say anything to the audience about the letters he sent to Hitler, and with good reason. Here is a letter dated September 9, 1950, which shows that he was anxious to have Watchtower property returned to them. He also wrote a letter to the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (after the war) where he said how the German JWs were fantastic citizens.

            The evidence is in “Haftbuch Nr. 292 des Geheimen Staatspolizeiamtes in Berlin, Diensateile II b 2”. The protocol is signed by Frost in 2 (pages 1-5) [We are trying to get photocopies of all these documents, but it is difficult because we have to move there to get them – and only historians have access to the files. But we must find a solution], 15, 20, 21, 24, 26 and 29 April 1937. And he sent many TJs to concentration camps. He told the Gestapo where they had the meetings, where the JW lived and who the leaders were.

            Here is a document from Geheime Statspolizei, 1034, dated Berlin 16.4.37. And here is another, Nr. 409/37.

            Of course, Watchtower leaders knew this, but they let Frost whiten his past in that assembly! Is there something about which these people do not lie?

        • Victor Orazi

          Clearly all these motherless goats are from Betel.

      • RHDB

        The Bible speaks about that time when they will become a target worldwide. The result? Joel 2:11 – opposition won’t endure it. Jehovah will become a refuge for his people Joel 3:16

        Zephaniah 2:3, seek righteousness and meekness and Jehovah might conceal you in that day.

        Please use the official website http://www.jw.org to get all the facts about a people united in a worldwide brother and genuine love for others 😁

        • Victor Orazi

          That is not gonna happen, every prophecy uttered by the Watchtower Pedophilia​ Inc. failed in the past and they will failed in the future including the new date that will be given by the sect for the time of the end which it will be the year 2034 will collapse, because it is lie.

          • RHDB

            I haven’t seen this date anywhere. Luke 21:35 it will come as a thief. Mathew 21:9 they will be hated.. your posts are evident of that.

            Vs 14: preaching must be carried out first before the end comes so I guess they have to keep on knocking on those doors as commanded. I don’t know of any other group of people who have managed to get it right globally, wow. Their God must be with them to accomplish that.

          • Victor Orazi

            You should read the Book Crisis of Conscience, you will find the date 2034 in the book based on the 2003 Watchtower Magazine​. The magazine says that a generation could be 120 years taking into consideration the generation of Noah when God said that Noah’s world had only 120 years of life span, so if we add 120 years to 1914, that will take us to 2034.

          • RHDB

            Mathew 24:34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened (NIV) Jesus here was speaking about the desolation of Jerusalem as well as the sign of his presence and the conclusion of this system of things.

            Mathew 23:36 – Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation (NIV)
            At the time when Jesus spoke about the destruction of Jerusalem it happened 37 years after he said this in the year 70 C.E. Not 120 years, which means the assumption in this book about a generation exclusively referring to 120 is incorrect.

            A generation length is naturally referred to a length of time when people are living at a specific time, but the length can’t be give a time, like 120 years. From Adam to Noah there were only 4 generations since their lifespans were about 850 roughly. After that lifespans decreased, with Noah only living 175 years. Psalms 90:10 lifespans today range between about 70-80 years.

            To understand the phrophecy about the generation, which is in the Bible, as we have just seen we need to know when Jesus started ruling to start counting from then. I’m not going to argue the year 1914 with you. But for the purpose of this let’s say Jesus did start ruling in 1914. You cannot assume that 120 years is accurately suggestion by the winesses because there is no publication that lists the year 2034 (please give me the exact publication)

            A generation of people can overlap another persons life. Therefore the start of the calculation of a generation could have started after 1914, while people who lived in 1914 were still alive, forming the same generation of people.

            My point is this, the generation will not pass by, the end is very close. It could come in 20 years, it could come in 10, as long as it falls part of the generation which is still present. Every other phrophecy has been fulfilled. Instead of trying to live your life looking for the imperfections of people who have gotten most other facts about life right, knowing full well we are all imperfect, why don’t you devote your time comparing all the hidden gems they have found, and the myths about Christendom exposed. Because of these things found to be true, the future is not so gloomy. And we know that the true God is one of love. I’m very happy that you are searching out these things because most people just go along with whatever they are taught.

            It’s a good thing to question anything that can be proved. Just don’t be bitter, and you will find that Jehovah’s people are truly different which is why they stand out. You having nothing to lose. I believe that deep down you are looking for truth. I don’t believe you are sure you have found it

          • Victor Orazi

            How long is a Generation?
            Before 1952 a Generation was 40 years:
            Why is 1952 the cut off time when the organization got “new light” from God?
            The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD happened 37 years after Jesus’ death. 1914 + 37 = 1951
            “By keeping the people ignorant they led them into having Jesus killed on a torture stake at Calvary. Thirty-seven years later this willfully cultivated ignorance led to its fatal consequences, the destruction of the city of Jerusalem with an enormous loss of human lives, just as Jesus had predicted, and the breaking up of the Jewish nation till this day. And now in this “time of the end” the revived nation of Israel with capital at the modern city of Jerusalem chooses to go on in the steps of its forefathers . . .” (Watchtower, Sept. 1 1950 p 277; see also Nov. 1 1950 p 407)
            “The length of time is indicated by him when he said, “Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.” (Matt. 24:34) The actual meaning of these words is, beyond question, that which takes a “generation” in the ordinary sense, as at Mark 8:12 and Acts 13:36, or for those who are living at the given period.” (Watchtower, July 1, 1951, p. 404)
            “Counting from the end of the “appointed times of the nations” in 1914, we are 37 years into the “time of the end” of this world

          • Victor Orazi

            1988: a generation is 75 years!
            (1914 + 75 = 1989)
            “J. A. Bengel states in his New Testament Word Studies: “The Hebrews . . . reckon seventy-five years as one generation, and the words, shall not pass away, intimate that the greater part of that generation [of Jesus’ day] indeed, but not the whole of it, should have passed away before all should be fulfilled.”” (Watchtower April 8, 1988 p14; [It was not a coincidence that this book had not been quoted by the Watchtower Society earlier, and would not be quoted after 1989 had passed!])
            “It is not reasonable to expect that present favorable conditions for preaching the good news will continue indefinitely. Besides, did not Jesus say that this generation will not pass away until all things are fulfilled? A generation, according to Psalm 90:10, is from seventy to eighty years. The generation that witnessed the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 does not have many more years left.” (Watchtower Dec 1, 1968, p715

          • Victor Orazi

            Today, the Governing Body rejects the original “one generation” view. And refines the generation by removing any time element whatsoever. This was done to escape catastrophic failure of their “prophet”. The new teaching means that Christ may not come for even 500 more years! If ever there was proof that the organization was involved in blind speculation, this is it! This information is so new, that most Jehovah’s witnesses don’t even fully comprehend the change their “prophet” is making!
            This new light from the organization is an intentionally vague teaching that will let the “generation” be alive for centuries while still allowing the Jehovah’s Witnesses to teach the end will come SOON!

          • Victor Orazi

            Is The Watchtower Predicting The End By 2034 Through Subtle Hints?
            The Watchtower, December 15, 2003, Pages 14 – 19
            Noah preached 120 years until the time of the flood, which was the time of the end to Noah and his generation. The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah’s day to our present day. The Society is adding a 120 years to the 1914 date to come up with the hinted date of 2034.
            Words such as “Similar, Similarly, Similarity, Similarities, Parallel, Corresponds, Characteristic, Compare, Arklike and more are all through the article to back up their subtle and hinted claims.
            Page 15, Paragraph 6
            “In Noah’s day, Jehovah declared: ‘My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.’ (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Just think what that meant for those then living! Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring ‘the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.’ – Genesis 6:17”
            Page 15, Paragraph 7
            “Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.’ After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld,’ says the apostle Paul, ‘[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household.’ (Hebrews 11:7) What about us? Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. We are certainly in ‘the time of the end.’ (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? ‘He that does the will of God remains forever,’ states the Bible. (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah’s will with a keen sense of urgency.”
            Page 15, Paragraph 9
            “Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by ‘the faithful and discreet slave'”….

          • Victor Orazi

            Instead of writing so much crap here, you should go and preach in the Islamic World, yes, you are the one that say not being afraid of any man because you have Jehovah. See, I don’t see any member of the Governing Body preaching in China or the Middle East, see, most of half of the population in the world still don’t know anything about Jehovah.

          • RHDB

            Hey Victor, it was nice chatting to you. I have not once disrepected you. If a simple conversation can stir up so much anger inside you, it says a lot at face value about who you are genuinely are as person.

            I will not respond further. Have a good day.

          • Victor Orazi

            That is the way you quit using an excuse, the reason you are quiting because I have been answering you calm and with facts and like any JW well known as quitters and been completed defeated like you, sorry you couldn’t stand the heat.

          • RHDB

            Lol, this discussion has no bearing on my success and education. It all means nothing without Jehovah, as he has given me everything I have.

            So let me then ask you the fundamental questions about life, since you believe there is no God.

            1. What is the purpose of life?

            2. Do you believe in evolution?

            3. What is the solution to mankind’s problems?

            4. What will eradicate death? Is it possible or will life continue as it has since the beginning of time?

            It’s best you tell me.

          • Victor Orazi

            You are an angry woman, you have to follow orders by chauvinistic machos, you are afraid that is the reason you need this religion, you have no skills, no education, no ambition, the only thing you can do is just to get in the car every morning and go to field service like my father but afraid of who will open the door, feel sorry for you, such of empty life.

          • RHDB

            lol quite the contrary actually. I am also a qualified chartered accountant, I’ve stopped completing my masters to pursue you know what. I am not a Jehovah’s Witness as I am not baptized. I have everything materially and that is a life without substance.

          • Victor Orazi

            Get a real job, stop cleaning toilets or flipping burgers lol

          • RHDB

            Hahaaaa where is Patterson? Not from my end of the world

          • Victor Orazi

            Because you can’t​ think and reason.

          • Anna Foster Woodard

            Nobody ever ever ever said this. And WHO CARES!!!! IT’S COMING SOMETIME SOON WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. STOP GETTING HUNG UP ON SOME SPECIFIC STUPID TIME FRAME THAT SOME IDGET APOSTATE IS DRILLING IN PEOPLE’S HEADS AND KEEPS REPEATING IT LIKE YOU ALL HAVE ALHIEMERS OR DEMENTIA. NO ONE KNOWS THE TIME OR THE DAY!!!!GET OVER IT

          • Victor Orazi

            You are a very pathetic woman.

          • Amelia Rodriguez

            You are so scared you’re going to die at Armageddon if you don’t talk horribly and terribly two other people that have different beliefs than you aren’t you? You’re counting time for this aren’t you? Your precious time LMFAO this is preaching work? You have given us no proof at all all I’m doing is asking you to read a credible news source about the child pronography those child sex abuse the Australian Royal commission Candice Conti, the Canadian 66 million dollar class action lawsuit, Jose Lopez and Ireland today a new article and instead of reading the truth and believing that you will listen to these seven men that are misleading you and taking your money to silence child sex abuse victims millions of dollars they are spending of your money the Publishers money to silent victims of child sex abuse that they didn’t want to report to supposedly not bring reproach to Jehovah’s name you need to wake up and get out of her

          • Victor Orazi

            Amelia, she says that she is a nurse, well don t get any service from Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are not good at any job lol

          • Elijah Ajibode

            Is what you are saying now will disturb God’s Kingdom to come? Those that committed those things you are saying are not people like you who are wolf that came into the organization that Jesus and Apostle Paul was talking about, may be you were fellowship or left because of your potential bad conducts, so you because an apostate, you are free to practice all your bad conducts now that there is nobody that will put you on check. Go ahead and continue with what ever you think is good for you, you have know the truth but you refuse to do it. It is left to you.

          • Victor Orazi

            Listen, instead of telling us what to do, just go with your message to the Middle East, that is what I tell every Jehovah’s witness knocking my door or I ask for their address so I will knock their doors lol. Yes, go to Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc, they don’t know Jehovah, nobody knocked their doors for the last 140 years.

          • Amelia Rodriguez

            You’re the one who needs to get over it you’re the one in here yelling LMAO the truth sucks doesn’t it? You little sheeple governing body sheeple

          • Amelia Rodriguez

            Do you not recall the scriptures in Revelations and I’m sure other places in your Bible that talks about the future for those that are false prophets, oh that’s right you said you didn’t care

          • Victor Orazi

            you are good to flip burgers only.

          • Victor Orazi

            Coming soon, please allow my 2 balls to laugh, he said that 2000 years ago, I forgot your god has to many protocols.

          • Elijah Ajibode

            Can you or anybody change God’s appointed time, no for sure, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not preaching to change the whole world but to fulfill God’s purpose and prophecy. The good news of the Kingdom will be preached through the earth then the end will come Matt. 24: 14, if you like you take it or forget it, God will do what is going to do at his own time, even if the entire world is like that God will fulfill his promises, He is not like politicians who tell lies when they are campaigning and doing something else when they vote them in.

          • Victor Orazi

            Hey, you didn’t go to China and the Islamic World, how can you say that those pseudo good news are preached all over the world when most of the world population don’t know anything about Jehovah.

          • Marcus Carlini

            Jehovah’s Witnesses came to me once and told me the end was coming before the generation of 1914 was almost over, nothing happened.

        • Victor Orazi

          So you mean God will execute vengeance on anybody who is not a Jehovah s Witness?. That mean he will execute 8 billion people, mothers, fathers, children, virgins, etc.

          • Anna Foster Woodard

            He is our CREATOR!!! HE CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS AND WHEN HE WANTS. WHO ARE YOU TO THINK THAT YOU ARE ABOVE ALL OF THIS?? HE LEFT US THE MANUAL TO GIVE US A PRETTY GOOD HEAD START AND AN ADVANTAGE TOWARD ATTAINING EVERLASTING LIFE. SO, IT’S HIS FAULT IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO GO BY THE RULES?? YOU CAN FIX IGNORANCE BY TEACHING IT. BUT YA CAN’T FIX STUPID

          • Victor Orazi

            Christians believe their God is all-good and all-loving. Atheists counter that, according to Christian’s own Bible, God is instead “the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully” (as Dawkins puts it).

            For example:

            In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and animals.
            In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
            In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
            In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant.
            In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they are allowed to rape as spoils of war.
            In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them.
            And the atrocities go on and on.

            Christian apologist William Lane Craig offers the standard evangelical responses in his podcast on the topic. Let me respond to Craig point by point.

            “This is a singular event.”
            Craig says these horrifying commands of God are a singular event related to the conquest of Canaan.

            Wrong. Even the few examples I gave above are not focused on the conquest of Canaan, and there are hundreds more atrocities performed by God or at his command, scattered throughout the Old Testament.

            Second, even if it was a singular event, why would this matter? The Oklahoma City bombing was a singular event for Timothy McVeigh, but we couldn’t possibly say McVeigh was “all-good” despite this. Likewise, even if God only commanded genocide “a few times” during the conquest of Canaan, would we then be justified in calling him all-good? No. At the very least, such a god momentarily lapsed into an anti-social psychotic fit.

          • You are very STUPID. God removed any obstacle in the way of the Messiah, so that YOU might have a chance to live.

            Every diseased ridden culture that came near the Jews was destroyed. and every diseased Jew was destroyed. This is why the Jews lived for 70 to 80 years and had far better health and intelligence than the rest of humanity. They were genetically protected and cleansed of all evil as far as was necessary for Jehovah to get the Messiah born.

            Many millions, perhaps billions, can now live because of what Jehovah did.

            You are an emotionally degraded ignorant and low intelligence person. If you want life, you have a chance to get it. If you don’t want life you have that now.

          • Victor Orazi

            For people who believe in fairy tales and need to increase their IQ.
            ‘I’m an Atheist’: Stephen Hawking on God and Space Travel
            Image: Hawking at Starmus Festival
            British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking gives a lecture during the Starmus Festival on Tenerife in the Canary Islands on Tuesday. He arrived there by cruise ship. Desiree Martin / AFP – Getty Images
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            World-famous theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking says flat-out that he doesn’t believe in God, but he does believe that space travel offers the best hope for our species’ immortality.

            Those pronouncements came during the buildup to this week’s Starmus Festival at Tenerife in the Canary Islands, where Hawking and other scientific luminaries have gathered for rounds of talks, tours and elbow-rubbing.

            The Spanish newspaper El Mundo engineered an exclusive interview with Hawking, and headlined its report with his views on the origins of the universe.

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            In the past, there’s been a tiny bit of ambiguity: In “A Brief History of Time,” Hawking writes that the discovery of a unifying set of scientific principles known as the theory of everything would enable scientists to “know the mind of God.” But in a follow-up book about the quest for the theory of everything, titled “The Grand Design,” Hawking said the mechanism behind the origin of the universe was becoming so well known that God was no longer necessary

          • Amelia Rodriguez

            I know he’s evil and if that’s who you want for a Creator that’s fine but he’s not my Creator I made out of love

          • Victor Orazi

            What can you do< bunch of losers are they, wasting time going house to house, they should go to China, not here, we know all their lies, they should go to the Islamic world to preach lol that will be the day.

          • Amelia Rodriguez

            just because we have differences in opinion you got a call it’s stupid and ignorant, the Bible has been translated Miss translated and has several different sects of Christianity and each one of them believe that they have the truth or they wouldn’t be serving it, lol and you want to try to prove that yours is right because of the 1914 Doctrine that’s way off because if you look at history and if you look at the ancient Sumerian cuneiform tablets you will see that your dumbass leaders predicted 1914 off of a in corrected date LMFAO keep serving those assholes

        • Victor Orazi

          JW.org is one side or version of the story, it is always good to have a second or third opinion, of course this organization does not want you get the information from other sources.

          • Anna Foster Woodard

            Suuuure….thats why they are going out in public and door to door and everywhere because theyre so ambiguous…. they don’t come up with this stuff, stupid….they use quotes and stats from news and magazine articles and encyclopedic references and museums! Look around you!! Speaks for itself

          • Victor Orazi

            Not everywhere, for example, I don’t see you preaching in Saudi Arabia, I am pretty sure that you don’t have the guts to preach there, you will be pooping your pants with an intensive diarrhea and be converted to Islam to save your ass, so stop being a hypocrite, you preach in America because of the freedom, you and all the Witnesses in America have not guts to preach in the Middle East. Please, your ignorance touches the sky.

          • Victor Orazi

            Where do your work? ahhh you clean toilets at Betel,

        • Victor Orazi

          Jehovah might conceal you but it s really bad that he might lol, he loves to make you suffer, when is he gonna give you the satisfaction that you made it, no, he is a cruel good, no matter how much you do he is never satisfied.

        • Marcus Carlini

          Talking about that time of persecution that will become all over the world, you said that Gog from the land of Magog if I am right of his real name, my friend explained to me, Gog represent Satan and will attack the witnesses because they don’t have bars or walls to defend themselves, that is the reason that he will attack Jehovah’s people. Anyway, correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed when I went to many assemblies that you have bodyguards protecting the speakers, why are putting bar and walls to protect yourselves, also somebody told me that you have bodyguards at Patterson, so why are you putting bars and walls to protect yourselves when God is your protection.

      • Anna Foster Woodard

        Really? Blood transfusions? Do u live under A rock? I’m in the health care field. Jw’s are treated ALL THE TIME with many different types of blood substitutes and or blood alternatives. Autologous methods are sucessful and many doctors, including where I work , prefer these methods because it’s safer, inexpensive for patient. AND, as for disfellowshiping, one disfellowships oneself. It’s just made public that , let’s say, for example, you choose to molest children…the brothers offer to get you counseling so you can stop… you tell them you have no intention of stopping because you like the lifestyle. You cannot OR will not live by the bible principles that makes such behavior ungodly. Ok….you, a “baptized” member, just told the congregation that u dont want to belong to your spiritual family anymore because you CHOSE your behavior OVER Godly laws and principles. Easy peasy. YOU ARE THE CAPTAIN OF YOUR SHIP!! YOU CHOSE IT, GOD FINISHES IT. PERIOD! THE CATHOLICS DO THE SAME THING WITH EXCOMMUNICATION. YOU CANNOT RECIEVE HOLY COMMUNION OR PARTICIPATE IN THE HOLY EUCHARIST OR BE BURIED IN A CATHOLIC CEMETERY!!!! GET WITH THE PROGRAM KID. YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT RELEVANT NOR ARE THEY FACTUAL, which actually confirms the point that your heart and mouth are in a very maggotty place at this time. ..its never too late though, as long as you still have life, and a brain, it’s never too late

        • Victor Orazi

          Surgeons always try to carry out surgery to minimise the amount of blood lost. In recent years, this has become easier, due to the increasing use of keyhole surgery (laparoscopic surgery), where only small cuts are made in the body.
          However, some types of surgical operations and procedures have a higher risk of blood loss; therefore, a blood transfusion is more likely to be needed.
          It may be possible to use a procedure called intra-operative cell salvage. It collects your blood that’s lost during the surgery, and it can be returned back to you. Ask your doctor or nurse if intra-operative cell salvage is appropriate for the type of surgery you’re having.
          It’s no longer possible to routinely collect your own blood in advance of your surgery.

        • Victor Orazi

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          GLOSSARY
          Blood transfusion using cells donated by healthy volunteers can help replace red cells, platelets and other blood components. Some people with leukemia, lymphoma, myeloma and other blood diseases or disorders such as hereditary anemias and aplastic anemia need periodic blood transfusions for several reasons:

          The disease process itself can sometimes interfere with the normal production of red cells, white cells and platelets in the bone marrow. For example, almost all patients with leukemia (which primarily affects the marrow and blood) require some transfusions during their care.
          Many chemotherapy drugs can temporarily impair blood cell production in the marrow and depress immune system functions.
          Stem cell transplantation patients receive high doses of chemotherapy, which depletes stores of normal blood cells.
          Patients with insufficient blood counts can develop:

          Anemia (low red cells)
          Thrombocytopenia (low platelets)
          Leukopenia (low white cells, either granulocytes or lymphocytes, or both)
          Doctors take different approaches when deciding if transfusion is appropriate. How to best balance the benefits and risks of transfusions is the subject of some debate in the medical field. Currently, transfusion policies usually depend on the patient’s condition, an individual doctor’s training and experience and long-held medical standards of practice

        • Victor Orazi

          First I am not a JW, my father who is a loser JW since 1973 got screwed waiting for 1975.

          • Elijah Ajibode

            You did not read your bible well along side your father, nobody has ever given you a date of the end, if you will say the truth, have you not seen devastating changes in the world since you grow up, unless you want to deceive yourself and others. Is it the Watchtower that cause the world wars, causing the troubles all over the world now or the pestilences throughout the world?

          • Victor Orazi

            I already gave you the facts about all the failed dates given by the Watchtower during this 140 years, but you can’t reason, you can’t see the truth about this sect. I left many comments and you didn’t read even one.

          • Victor Orazi

            Read more my friend, use your brain if you have one.
            Edit

            Watch Tower Society literature of the 1970s and 1980s repeatedly claimed that the “end” had to be expected before the turn of the century. The 1971 book The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah – How? stated: “Shortly, within our twentieth century, the ‘battle in the day of Jehovah’ will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.”[58] A 1980 Watchtower article described the notion that “the wicked system of this world” would last “until the turn of the century” as “highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy” (emphasis added).[59] A similar statement in a 1984 Watchtower article suggested that some members of the 1914 generation “could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that ‘the end’ is much closer than that!”[60] Until its October 22, 1995 issue, Awake! similarly included the statement, “this magazine builds confidence in the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.”[61]

            In 1989, the notion that the missionary efforts of the Witnesses would culminate before the turn of the century was first reaffirmed, then abandoned. As first published, a Watchtower article of January 1 stated: “The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.”[62] (Emphasis added.) Nine months later a more cautiously worded statement appeared in the Watchtower: “We have ample reasons to expect that this preaching will be completed in our time. Does that mean before the turn of a new month, a new year, a new decade, a new century? No human knows” (emphasis added).[63] In later bound volumes of the 1989 Watchtower magazines, the text of the January 1 article was amended to state that Christian missionary work “would be completed in our day” rather than “in our 20th century”.

          • Victor Orazi

            The Quran could be the word of God?

          • Elijah Ajibode

            Will you believe Quran as an atheist, because Muslims believe in God.

          • Victor Orazi

            Did you ever read the Qu’ran?

          • Elijah Ajibode

            Where ever you belong to you were not taught about moral and how to respect elders, I know your father must be pretty old, the one you called a loser, you must learn how to respect your parents and other older ones, we teach that in our religion (Watchtower) teaches us that.

        • Russell Forry

          When will HITLER be excommunicated as a Catholic? Still waiting…

          • Victor Orazi

            What about Serena Williams showing her vagina when she plays tennis.

          • Amelia Rodriguez

            Lol

          • peter

            Is serena a witness?

          • Victor Orazi

            Yes, Mr. Flinstone.

          • Victor Orazi

            Also Prince the singer and drug addict.
            Legendary musician Prince was remembered at a private funeral at Jehovah’s Witness Kingdom Hall in Minnetonka, Minnesota, on Sunday.

          • peter

            And the apostle Paul agreed with the killing of Jesus followers and matthew WAS a tax collector, what’s your point. You need a refund from your university, assuming you attended one.

          • Victor Orazi

            Yes but they changed, Prince was a drug addict all the way to the end, everybody knew it and didn’t do anything about it, capisce Mr. Flinstone.

          • peter

            I really don’t expect anything better from someone who attended trump university. More fake news from the trump bandwagon. Where is your evidence from Prince was still on drugs? Where is your evidence that serena Williams is a jw or was a jw??

          • Victor Orazi

            Dude, can you get it?
            RELIGION
            07/10/2015 09:23 pm ET
            Serena Williams’ Secret Weapon: ‘Jehovah God’
            She and her four older sisters became Witnesses after their mother converted to the faith in the early 1980s.
            Kimberly Winston
            Religion News Service

            GETTY IMAGES
            LONDON, ENGLAND – JULY 09: Serena Williams of the United States celebrates during the Ladies Singles Semi Final match against Maria Sharapova of Russia during day ten of the Wimbledon Lawn Tennis Championships at the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club on July 9, 2015 in London, England. (Photo by Julian Finney/Getty Images)
            (RNS) If Serena Williams wins Wimbledon Saturday (July 11), she will likely say — as she usually does after a big win — “I want to thank Jehovah God.”

            Williams, 33, is the No. 1-ranked women’s tennis player in the world, known for her relentless will, bullying strokes and withering speed. She is also a Jehovah’s Witness, a faith that encourages members to separate from the broader world and discourages them from competitive sports on the grounds that it promotes nationalism, violence and celebrity — all things Witnesses are supposed to avoid.

            And yet for Williams, her faith is like a secret weapon, a stealthy supply of strength and perseverance that some observers say is as vital to her game as her 120 mph serve. A Saturday win would bring her one step closer to a “calendar slam” — the rarely achieved four Grand Slam tournament wins in one year.

            How has Williams balanced her faith and the winner’s circle? It is a subject she and her sister Venus, also a tennis star and former No. 1 player, have discussed only rarely. But Serena Williams has left a trail of comments that show her belief in God, and especially her identity as a Witness, has bolstered her already formidable tennis talents.

            “I have to thank Jehovah God for this,” Serena Williams told the crowd after receiving the trophy at the Australian Open in January, her sixth win there. “I was down and out and he helped me today and I just said prayers, not to win but to be strong and to be healthy and in the end I was able to come through so I have to give the glory to him first and foremost.”

            She and her four older sisters became Witnesses after their mother, Oracene, converted to the faith in the early 1980s. Serena Williams has said she attends church and has gone door-to-door, as Witnesses are required to do, to hand out tracts and evangelize.

            In 2012, her older half-sister Isha Price told the writer John Jeremiah Sullivan, who had a rare sit-down interview with Serena that explored her faith, that the tennis stars’ fame sometimes gives them access that other Witnesses might not get.

            “And they saw that as a blessing — getting to talk to people who would not ordinarily let them in,” Sullivan told The New York Times after the interview. “But there were other houses, she said, where people didn’t know who they were and were just as hostile or unreceptive as to anyone else.”

            Sullivan added that their family also told him the famous sisters “have witnessed to some of the players. According to Oracene, at least a few people have been curious, if not receptive.”

            If Serena Williams’ celebrity has been a blessing, it has also been a curse — at least in the eyes of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. At the 2009 U.S. Open, she allegedly threatened a line judge after a ruling went against her and was disqualified. What she actually said has been disputed, but the judge held that her life had been threatened. That brought local church elders to Serena Williams for what Sullivan described as a “dressing down.”

            “What bothered me most was that I was representing my religion,” she said about the incident. “I just felt like anyone who knew I was a Witness was stumbled. And I really don’t want to stumble anybody . . . They had to have a talk with me.”

            A national church representative declined to comment for this story. Other famous Jehovah’s Witnesses include Prince, and the late singers Michael jackson and Selena.

            But there have been other times Serena Williams’ faith has bolstered her off the court. In 2003, Yetunde Price, her oldest half-sister, was killed in a shooting. Serena Williams was the first one to get the news. Her tennis suffered. She took time off, reportedly attending Witness meetings and Bible studies up to three times a week.

            “I tried to develop a better relationship with God,” she told The New York Times in 2007 about this time. “You have a strong solid foundation, the Bible says, you won’t crack, but the man who built his house in the sand, his house went down spiritually. I have a really strong foundation. That’s how I was raised.”

            That foundation has seemingly served her well through many more ups and downs — career-threatening injuries, a hematoma and embolism surgery, scandals involving her skin-showing tennis attire and nude magazine portraits. (Witnesses are expected to dress modestly.) She has lost the No. 1 ranking several times — once dropping to 175 — and many sports commentators wrote her off by early 2012.

            Then she started winning again: Wimbledon, then the Olympics in singles and doubles (with sister Venus) in 2012, then the French and U.S. Opens in 2013, and the U.S. Open in 2014. This year, she has won two Grand Slams, and if she wins Wimbledon, she’ll have a so-called “Serena Slam” — four major wins in a row. If she adds the U.S. Open in September, she have the history-making “calendar slam.”

            Writing of her comeback in mid-2012, Sullivan credited faith as a factor.

            “It’s impossible not to feel that this fierce closeness of the Williams women,” he said of Venus, Serena and their mother, Oracene. “Strengthened by their shared faith, with its emphasis on separation from the world — has had not a little to do with the tremendous psychological stability Venus and Serena have demonstrated over the nearly 17 years of their careers,” he wrote.

            Serena-watchers today agree. Joseph Price, a professor of religious studies at Whittier College who has written about religion and sports, said Williams’ displays of faith are in line with Jehovah’s Witnesses guidelines — she does not give personal testimony — the way an evangelical Christian athlete like footballer Tim Tebow does — but speaks about the power of God and the Bible.

            “Because she rarely reveals anything personal in post-game interviews, she deflects attention away from anything other than the game,” Price said. “My hunch is she tries to minimize the possibility of becoming an object of idolatrous fascination.”

            Lee DelleMonache, director of the Neumann University Institute for Sport, Spirituality and Character Development, said Serena Williams’ balance of the spiritual and the human separates her from other athletes.

            “I know that when she stumbles or she gets criticized or she curses on the court, she has called herself on that,” DelleMonache said. “I love that she takes responsibility for that and stays true to her faith.”

            In a 2002 interview with ASAP Sports, she put it like this: “I am Jehovah’s Witness. If you don’t believe in God — I think if you don’t believe in God, it’s going to be tough to live life because pretty much that’s the basis of life, it comes from God. And so being a Jehovah’s Witness, obviously we believe in God and the Bible. And without Him, I wouldn’t be here right now. I really thank Him for everything.”

            MORE:

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          • Victor Orazi

            Hey dude, here is the evidence, read more, don’t expect others do the research for you.
            Unsealed search warrants in the death investigation of the singer Prince revealed today that he was prescribed oxycodone under a friend’s name, Kirk Johnson, for privacy purposes.

            The warrants, which were unsealed today and are from last spring and summer, were carried out by police after Prince’s death almost a year ago, on April 21, 2016. Weeks later, the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office in Minnesota said after an autopsy that he died from an accidental fentanyl overdose, which he “self-administered.”

            Born Prince Rogers Nelson on June 7, 1958, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, the singer, songwriter, multiple instrumentalist, producer and actor was recognized as a musical genius, trend setter and advocate for artis… Photo Credit: Seth Poppel/Yearbook Library

            Named after the Prince Roger Trio, a jazz band his father performed with, Prince was signed to Warner Brother Records as a teenager.

            Prince performs at the Palladium in New York on Dec. 2… Photo Credit: Waring Abbott/Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images

            The newly unsealed documents state that Prince’s famed Paisley Park home and studios, where he was discovered unresponsive, were searched, along with cellphone records and emails of the artist and his team, to determine where he got the fentanyl that resulted in his death, among other drugs he was taking at the time.

            Though the warrants don’t reveal the origin of the fentanyl, they name Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg as a prescriber of oxycodone for Prince and add that those prescriptions were in Johnson’s name, not Prince’s, for “privacy” reasons. Schulenberg was named in previous warrants and was present when Prince’s body was discovered. Schulenberg told police that he met with Prince twice in the weeks before his death.

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha fake news, Trump University, hey dude I am giving you the facts, read more, books don’t bite.

            Prince Rogers Nelson’s death may turn out to be the most famous example of the dangers posed by counterfeit fentanyl. Pills found in his Minnesota home were reportedly marked as hydrocodone, but when tested the pills turned out to have fentanyl in them. No one has said if Prince took those pills. But he did die of fentanyl toxicity, according to the autopsy report.

            Fentanyl is an opioid. Its effect on the body is exactly like heroin, or any other opiate-based medication. But fentanyl is 50 times stronger than heroin, up to 100 times stronger than morphine. It is stronger than any prescription painkiller on the market.

            “All opiates are just oral heroin. There is no difference to the body,” Minneapolis emergency medicine physician Chris Johnson says.

          • Victor Orazi

            Why Did JWs Ignore Prince’s Drug Addictions?

            After Prince’s death, George Cook (an elder at the Kingdom Hall where Prince attended JW meetings) was reported to have said the church does not have a problem with Prince’s reported addiction to prescription drugs because “that’s a personal matter.” “Brother” Cook made this statement after Prince’s death in April, 2016 and before the memorial at the Saint Louis Park JW Kingdom Hall in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
            Many celebrities were in the audience, including some who were also Jehovah’s Witnesses.
            The Guardian (August 21, 2016) reported that many powerful synthetic drugs such as oxycodone, fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 (a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine*) were found in Prince’s home. The presence and the amounts of those drugs strongly suggested that he was absolutely addicted to drugs.
            *[LINK to The Guardian (UK) news

          • RHDB

            And since they were prescription drugs absolutely required a script. You not a doctor

          • Victor Orazi

            You can’t read English, sorry

          • 61n61

            You can’t read or write it and that hasn’t stopped you.

          • Victor Orazi

            First, put your real name, coward

          • peter

            So do you believe everything you read in the media? Or do you just believe things that suits your narrative?

          • Victor Orazi

            Do you believe anything the Watchtower says?

          • peter

            Yes, now do you believe everything you read in the media?

          • Victor Orazi

            It is more truthful than the Watchtower

          • peter

            Yeah, just like your friend trump and his fake news.

          • RHDB

            Yes, living proof of how the Bible and God can change a drug addict to serve God. Serena was brought up as a JW and who knows may still decide to serve God. There’s still time for people to make change.

          • Victor Orazi

            Bla bla, The Bible change people for worst, I can see how many JW insults other for not agreeing so what change, you are delusional

          • RHDB

            How old are you? Oh yes you told me, you are 2. Just learned how to walk.

          • Victor Orazi

            Can you spell Fart.

          • Victor Orazi

            Many JW live double life.

        • Victor Orazi

          I never joined JW for that reason never baptized, my father the loser he is one of the Borg. I won’t belong to any religion, religion is the opium of human kind, a mental drug for cowards, people who need to be taken by their hands. People who have no opinion or power of reasoning, people who believe in fairy tales and magic solutions.

        • Amelia Rodriguez

          You are deterring from the fact, that if someone requires a life-saving blood transfusion or they will die you would rather your child died think about that for a minute you would rather your child die you would sit there and watch your child die because you’re a piece of evil

          • Victor Orazi

            Allowing young kids to die for no reason, this is an evil cult and nothing else, good for Russia.

        • Amelia Rodriguez

          Did you hear me giving it Catholics any credit? All religions are oppressive get out of her

        • Victor Orazi

          Read and read and read it again: The stem cells that exist in the cord blood can be critical components in life-saving procedures that used to require bone marrow donations. Kurtzberg says a major advantage is, that unlike bone marrow, cord blood doesn’t have to match completely.Jun 30, 2012

      • peter

        Your friend Hitler also tried to destroy jw’s. I bet he’s your hero.

        • Victor Orazi

          The Catholic Church has been alive for 2000 years and also is in China and you are not.

          • peter

            Has it. Only in your dreams. Was Hitler a Catholic?

          • Victor Orazi

            I am an atheist, I don’t care.

          • peter

            So, if you don’t care, why mention it?

          • Victor Orazi

            Do you care about the Flinstone?

          • Victor Orazi
          • Bruce

            Among other things. You’re an atheist like Hitler was a dog lover.

          • Victor Orazi

            yes

          • RHDB

            Did you notice “among other things” were the operative words. But a guess a university degree doesn’t come with common sense.

          • RHDB

            Notice “among other things” being the operative words. But your university degree doesn’t come with common sense I guess.

          • Elijah Ajibode

            No wonder Victor, there is no need to discuss bible with because you don’t even believe in the existence of God the author of the Bible, if there is anything we are going to talk about at all it has to be from the Bible stand point. But the same Bible says: “FLOOSH MAN SAYS IN HIS HEART THAT THERE IS NO GOD” Psl. 14:1 Read. I did not say that but the bible says it.

          • Victor Orazi

            Hey, you need to take your message to the Islamic World, there is where you can put your​ faith in Jehovah to the test. I don’t care what you say because you and all the Witnesses in this country can not prove your point until you put words to the test, like I said, if you want me to believe you, just you and the Governing Body in Patterson take a trip to the Middle East and preach like the Apostles did in that area 2000 years ago. Be decapitated or burnt to death by Isis, be a hero.

          • RHDB

            You keep asking this when you know the situation with the Islamic State killing their own people if they refuse Islam. However, the JW website gets many clicks from these countries and bible studies are held via video calling. Why don’t you go there and convince people to become atheists like you, and see if you will not have done to you the same thing you say will happen to a JW?

          • Victor Orazi

            That s not true, real witnesses go in person, cowards, pure bs what you are saying.

          • RHDB

            You go first hero.

          • Victor Orazi

            You are the one that says not afraid of men, you and the GB

          • RHDB

            I’m not American. I’m South African. And yes we speak English and 11 other languages fluently. And we also know how to spell.

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha

          • Victor Orazi

            Did you ever read the Qur’an?

          • RHDB

            After the death of Jesus’ apostles a counterfeit form of Christianity flourished. Just as Jesus foretold it would last until the conclusion of this system. Math 13:40. The Christian churches deviated from Christ’s teachings resulting in untold suffering. Ideology from Greek philosophy infiltrated the churches in Rome. That’s where Catholics come from..Where does China fit in?

          • Victor Orazi

            The Catholic Church was the one that put all the books of the Bible together, not the Watchtower lol

          • RHDB

            Sadly just like you they couldn’t understand it, instead they put people to death and burned them for questioning the false teachings and dogmatic church practices. You know what’s really concerning? You hate God, you hate JW’s and yet your whole life is consumed with us like a disease that infests your entire existence.

          • Victor Orazi

            Go and tell that to the Islamic People if you have the guts, not me, go go and be a hero, get decapitated or burnt to death, go lady or whatever your are.

          • Victor Orazi

            Tell that to the Islamic people.

          • Victor Orazi

            The same in the Watchtower, people die for not getting a blood transfusion.

          • Elijah Ajibode

            You don’t know anything you are just beaten about the bush, jumping from one topic to another without conclusion on anyone. Is New World Translation taken from Catholic Bible?

          • Victor Orazi

            We can say with some safety that the first widespread edition of the Bible was assembled by Saint Jerome around 400 A.D. This was the first manuscript that included all 39 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New Testament, all together in a single volume and all translated into the same language — namely, Latin.

            This Latin edition of the Bible is commonly referred to as the Vulgate.

          • Victor Orazi

            Do your​ own research?

          • Victor Orazi

            The master text used for translating the Old Testament into English was Kittel’s Biblia Hebraica. The Hebrew texts, Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia and Biblia Hebraica Quinta, were used for preparing the latest version of this translation. Other works consulted in preparing the translation include Aramaic Targums, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Samaritan Torah, the Greek Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate, the Masoretic Text, the Cairo Codex, the Aleppo Codex, Christian David Ginsburg’s Hebrew Text, and the Leningrad Codex.[36][37

          • Marcus Carlini

            I think you got it wrong, what he meant is that the Catholic Church chose the books they thought were the right books to make up the Bible.

          • Victor Orazi

            Watchtower’s United Nations Association

            In 1992, the Watchtower became an Associate NGO with the United Nations. This was despite spending decades condemning the UN as the scarlet coloured wild beast of Revelation. As a result, many Jehovah’s Witnesses severed ties with the Watchtower for what they consider a hypocritical and dishonest chapter of the religion’s history.
            In 1991, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York applied to be a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) Associate Member of the United Nations Department of Public Information (UN DPI). This is the closest relationship an NGO can form with the United Nations. The application was renewed annually and is a matter of public record.

            Watchtower remained an Associate Member until a few days after knowledge of this involvement became public through the release of breaking news in The Guardian on 8th October 2001.

            Jehovah’s Witnesses link to UN queried
            Watchtower Guardian Article Bates United Nations involvement 2001 Sect accused of hypocrisy over association with organisation it has demonised.

            Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
            Oct 8, 2001 The Guardian

            “The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation. Disaffected members of the 6m-strong group, which has 130,000 followers in the UK, have accused the Witnesses’ elderly governing body of hypocrisy in secretly accepting links with an organisation that they continue to denounce in apocalyptic terms. The UN itself admitted yesterday that it was surprised that the sect, whose formal name is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, had been accepted on its list of non-governmental organisations for the last 10 years.”

            guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,565199,00.html

            Click Here for the chain of email correspondence between the Watchtower and Bates following the Guardian article.
            This involvement has stumbled many followers, due to:

            the double standard the Watchtower holds for itself when compared to its members

            such membership being hypocritical considering the Watchtower history of condemning Christendom for doing so

            the dishonest information the Watchtower has released in attempting to explain the situation to its members
            They were such large numbers of enquiries to the United Nations that it formulated an official reply verifying association with the Watchtower.

          • Victor Orazi

            That was from the very beginning, I am gonna give you a lecture about Christianity, the first people were followers of James but they were completely in disagreement with Paul, Paul started Christianity, then there were Churches everywhere in the Roman Empire but everyone had a different way of seeing Jesus, then the Roman Empire made the Catholic Church the official religion. Jehovah’s Witnesses came later with a Russell who had many pagan teachings, Egypt, the Pyramids, etc, all satanic teaching not coming from the Bible, clearly a false start for the JW.

          • RHDB

            Actually Jesus said that true Christianity would die out as Satan attempted to remove all traces of it. This is why Jesus used the parable of the wheat and weeds in Math 13:30. He allowed both true and false religion to grown together. There were many who tried to show the churches that their practices were pagan. And so the parable says that when it’s harvest time, the weeds must be bundled up and burned. This separation is taking place as we speak. Can I ask you something? What do you gain with all the hatred? You know one JW, personally who bore you. Do you hate him too?

          • Victor Orazi

            That parable does not mean that, it can mean anything, it does not say JW, it can mean anything.

          • Marcus Carlini

            Do you have any proof or evidences Jehovah’s Witnesses is the true religion? Because if you listen to the Mormons, they say that they own the truth.

          • Victor Orazi

            The book of Genesis is full of contradictions and Egyptian mythology, first chapter of the book says that God created the Universe on the fourth day, yes, it says that God created the Stars, the Sun and the Moon not in the beginning, before the Earth, on the contrary He did it during the fourth day and after he created light, more contradictory than that impossible.

        • Victor Orazi

          He persecuted the Jews and they survived too, and they don’t believe in Jehovah lol.

          • RHDB

            Of course they did. Israelites were Jews. And the divine name appeares nearly 7000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. The Jews rejected the messiah and put him to death and that’s why God rejected them.

          • Victor Orazi

            The Divine name does not appear on the Old NT manuscripts, no one even on the Gospels, the Watchtower included on the NWT, use your brain and make your own research. Now about the OT Jehovah and also El is included.

          • RHDB

            Really? So you obviously don’t know that Hebrew was written without vowels. Of course the Tetragrammaton was in the Hebrew Scriptures. Your arguments are so unfactual. I’m beginning to wonder why you want to share the planet with us? Since you hate God, why are you living in his universe, create your own. Why are you eating from his soil? Why did he give you a brain that doesn’t function? You wake up every morning and he sends you the sun, he lets the birds whistle on your rooftop and trees. He gave you your senses and all you do is use them in opposition to him. Oh yes now I remember Mathew 5:45 he is so loving and caring that he gives it to both the righteous and wicked. You hate him, and yet he still longs for you. How do I stop getting these notifications? No matter what I try I can’t deactivate this account. I guess I’m stuck with you.

          • Victor Orazi

            Idiot, I said: old NT manuscripts, I didn’t say old OT.

          • Victor Orazi
        • Victor Orazi

          you are a wimp, you will pee your pants if you see Little Adolfo.

        • Victor Jehovah

          bla bla

    • Victor Orazi

      From the late 19th Century until the 1970s leaders of Jehovah’s Witnesses were
      pledging the national oath of allegiance to the United States government. It is
      paradoxical to pledge allegiance to a country and at the same time claim not to.
      Jehovah’s Witnesses have asserted that they refuse to pledge allegiance to
      national governments, yet this is precisely what Nathan Homer Knorr, president of the Watch Tower Bible and
      Tract Society, did on multiple occasions on his personal passport applications.26 Historical records document
      that other Watch Tower presidents also took the same oath of allegiance.27, 28, 29
      Watch Tower literature draws a distinction between full and relative allegiance to national governments and
      laws.30 Since in terms of allegiance the national oath carries the same weight as—if not more than—the pledge
      of allegiance to the U.S. government routinely offered by children in schools it leaves one to wonder what
      makes one offensive and the other not?31
      Watch Tower leaders have asserted a strong position against pledges of allegiance to governments, referring to
      such pledges as a Devil inspired scheme.32 Quoting Daniel P. Mannix, Watch Tower literature states,
      “Christians refused to . . . sacrifice to the emperor’s genius—roughly equivalent today to refusing to salute the
      flag or repeat the oath of allegiance. . .”33 Jehovah’s Witness leaders have applied these words to their followers,
      making a show of abiding by them. However, again noting that Mannix cites the oath of allegiance as a modernday
      rough equivalent to sacrificing to Roman emperors—an act of worship—one cannot avoid the fact that
      leaders of Jehovah’s Witnesses were pledging the oath of allegiance.

    • Victor Orazi

      Yes and it s true.

    • Victor Orazi

      Who is more powerful, Jehovah, Superman or Trump?

      • Irakli Bokuchava

        I commented this article and have no interest to be participant of discussion about JW!!!

        • Victor Orazi

          But you already did.

    • Victor Orazi

      How Some Choose To Contribute To The Worldwide Work
      As in the apostle Paul’s day, many today “set something aside,” or budget an amount of money, and place it in the congregation contribution box labeled “Worldwide Work.” (1 Cor. 16:2) Each month, congregations forward these contributions to the office of Jehovah’s Witnesses that serves their country. It is also possible for you to send donations directly to a legal entity that is used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in your country. To learn the name of the primary legal entity used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in your country, please contact the branch office. The address can be found on http://www.jw.org. The types of donations that you can send directly are the following:

      OUTRIGHT DONATIONS
      Donations via electronic bank transfer, debit card, or credit card. In some branches this is also possible using jw.org or another designated website.
      Donations of cash, jewelry, or other valuable personal property. Include a letter indicating that the cash or the item is an outright donation.
      CONDITIONAL DONATION ARRANGEMENT
      Donations of cash with the condition that it can be returned if needed by the donor.
      Include a letter stating that the donation is conditional.
      CHARITABLE PLANNING
      In addition to gifts of money and valuable personal property, there are other methods of giving to benefit Kingdom service worldwide. These are listed below. Regardless of the method or methods you would like to use, please first contact the branch office that serves your country to see which methods are available. Since legal requirements and tax laws vary, it is important to consult qualified tax and legal advisers before choosing the best way to donate.

      Insurance: A donation made by specifying an entity used by Jehovah’s Witnesses as the beneficiary of a life insurance policy or a retirement/pension plan.

      Bank Accounts: Bank accounts, certificates of deposit, or individual retirement accounts set up as a trust or made payable on death to an entity used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in accord with local bank requirements.

      Stocks and Bonds: Stocks and bonds donated to an entity used by Jehovah’s Witnesses as an outright gift or by means of a written agreement to transfer on death.

      Real Estate: Salable real estate donated to an entity used by Jehovah’s Witnesses, either by making an outright gift or, in the case of residential property, by reserving a life estate to the donor, who can continue to live in the residence during his or her lifetime.

      Gift Annuity: Money or securities donated to an entity used by Jehovah’s Witnesses under an arrangement where the donor receives a specified annuity payment every year for life. The donor may receive an income-tax deduction for the year in which the gift annuity is established.

      Wills and Trusts: Property or money may be bequeathed to an entity used by Jehovah’s Witnesses by means of a legally executed will or by specifying the entity as the beneficiary of a trust agreement. This arrangement may provide certain tax advantages.

      As the term “charitable planning” implies, these types of donations typically require some planning on the part of the donor. To assist individuals desiring to benefit the worldwide work of Jehovah’s Witnesses through some form of charitable giving, a brochure entitled Charitable Planning to Benefit Kingdom Service Worldwide has been prepared in English and Spanish. The brochure was written to provide information on a variety of ways that gifts may be made now or later, such as through a bequest at death. The information covered in this brochure may not apply fully to your situation because of tax laws or other laws in your country. Hence, after reading the brochure, you should confer with your own legal or tax adviser. By using such methods of charitable giving, many have helped to support our religious and humanitarian activities worldwide and maximize tax benefits. If available in your country, the brochure may be obtained by requesting a copy from the secretary of the local congregation.

      For more information, you may contact the branch office.

      • Irakli Bokuchava

        Let’s finish this discussion.I commented article and not going to donate money to the JW!!!

    • Victor Orazi

      News from JW.org:
      The first generation of young Witness men in Armenia to take advantage of the alternative civilian service program are productively working to fulfill their national obligation. The previous generation of Jehovah’s Witnesses faced imprisonment for their conscientious objection to military service. However, in 2013 the Republic of Armenia amended its legislation to provide for alternative civilian service in lieu of military service. To date, over 200 Witnesses have been enrolled in this program. Sixteen Witnesses had completed their national service by the end of June 2016.

      What s the catch?, well, many ended up in prison and the new generation got it easier, what a hypocrites is JW.org, I am pretty sure the new generation could not stand up the heat, still they are active participating in Military Service, breaking their integrity to Jehovah.

    • Victor Orazi

      Now this Religion is becoming southern evangelists, they play wordly and pagan music at the Kingdom Hall, also they have a band and play songs from wordly singers many homosexuals and drug addicts. According to the Watchtower only their songs could be played at the KH, now they play and dance satanic songs, clearly this sect is becoming like the sinful world.

    • Victor Orazi

      Ban this evil sect forever and all over the world, por favor Jehovah, Jehovah is gay and a happy god.

      • Irakli Bokuchava

        I’m Christian&hate blasphemy!!!

    • Victor Orazi

      Jehovah’s Witnesses have been severely criticised by the Charity Commission for allowing a convicted sex offender to interrogate his victims.

      The commission’s report said the women had endured “inappropriate and demeaning questioning”.

      And Jonathan Rose had challenged them during a meeting with Church elders, after he was released from prison.

      A Jehovah’s Witness statement said “appropriate restrictions” were imposed on anyone guilty of abuse.

      Rose was convicted in 2013 of the historical sexual abuse of two girls, aged five and 10, and sentenced to nine months in prison.

      Both he and the girls, at the time of the assaults, were members of the New Moston Kingdom Hall, in Manchester.

      At the time of his conviction, Rose was a senior member, or “elder”, of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

      He appealed against a move to expel him, a process known as “disfellowshipping”.

      In order to decide his fate, a group of elders had called the two women to a meeting at the Kingdom Hall, along with a third woman who had alleged in the 1990s that Rose had assaulted her, the report said.

      ‘Very intimidating’

      Over three hours in April 2014, the women were individually questioned by Rose and a room full of male elders.

      In an audio recording made by one of the women and passed to the BBC, Rose is heard saying to one woman: “Give me one reason why I would touch you?”

      He is heard challenging the woman, accusing her of making up the allegations and asking her to relive the assault.

      “What I am saying to you is this didn’t happen,” he says.

      “What was I supposed to have done to you that night?”

      One of the elders asks: “Did you ever egg him on?”

      “It was worse than the court case,” another of the women told the BBC.

      “I felt everyone was on his side. I felt I was in the wrong. I felt very intimidated that it was all men, very, very intimidating. I was shocked he was able to talk to me.

      “He kept making out that I was lying. He kept saying why did I make it up, why would I say something like that, and at no point did I feel he was going to admit it.

      “I got to the point where I thought, ‘He genuinely believes he’s not done anything wrong.'”

      She added that another of the women had burst out of her meeting in tears, claiming Rose had asked if “she’d enjoyed it”.

      New Moston Kingdom Hall
      In 2014, the Charity Commission, which regulates both the New Moston Kingdom Hall and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain – the main UK Jehovah’s Witness organisation, opened an investigation into how the trustees of the church had handled the case.

      The movement launched several legal actions to stop the inquiry, claiming the commission was acting beyond its remit.

      Eventually, the challenges were thrown out by the courts, and the report says: “The trustees of the charity… acting on legal advice, declined to engage with the commission following the opening of its inquiry.”

      ‘Mismanagement’

      The report also found the charity’s trustees had failed to tell the commission about the allegation against Rose from the 1990s, as they should have done.

      In a subsequent letter to the regulator, the trustees described the incident as merely “a matter between two teenagers”, evidence, says the report, that they did not properly take account of the earlier incident when considering the new allegations.

      The report said they also failed to fully enforce the restrictions they had put on Rose’s activities, allowing him to continue participating in the Church, and they “did not deal adequately” with the appeal meeting, allowing the questioning to take place, and therefore failing in their duties to protect people from harm.

      Taken together, the failures “constitute misconduct or mismanagement in the administration of the charity” by the trustees, the report said.

      “This has to be dealt with in a way that is sensitive to the victims who have gone through this terrible ordeal,” said Michelle Russell, director of investigations at the Charity Commission. “In this case, they let the victims down.”

      ‘No unsupervised contact’

      A statement from Watch Tower said: “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse in all of its forms and do not shield wrongdoers from the authorities or from the consequences of their actions. All allegations of abuse are thoroughly investigated and appropriate restrictions are imposed on any person who is guilty of child sexual abuse.

      “For years, Jehovah’s Witnesses have had a robust child safeguarding policy. The trustees followed the policy by imposing restrictions on the perpetrator and by ensuring that he had no unsupervised contact with children during congregation meetings.

      “The trustees will continue to concentrate on doing all that they can to safeguard children and to care for the spiritual needs of the congregation.”

      Jonathan Rose told the BBC he had no comment to make.

      The commission is now undertaking a wider inquiry into how Jehovah’s Witnesses across the UK handle allegations of child sexual abuse.

      One particular concern is the Church’s policy of dismissing an allegation if it fails its two-witness policy, which states two people need to have seen the abuse for the Church to proceed with a full investigation.

      There are also calls for the independent child abuse inquiry to examine the Church’s policy.

      More on this story

    • Marcus Jehovahthewicked

      A wicked god and a wicked cult.

      • Irakli Bokuchava

        I’m Christian and hate blasphemy!!!

    • Mick Servian

      No they are not normal in Russia.
      No worse than in any other country.
      And yeah anti Jehovah’s witnesses is anti American. Sure that made sense. Not.
      Jehovah’s witnesses are lunatics who refuse to take their children to the hospital when they are sick.
      Im sorry maybe they are more compatible with the US

      • Irakli Bokuchava

        Kizmei toxe spoc,goim!!!

        • Mick Servian

          Sorry what? Goim?
          More insults?
          Pathetic

  • Amelia Rodriguez

    The fact is, that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are a very oppressed people with a very extreme view of the world that resides outside their membership. the organization instructs its members to “abhor” Christendom, blood transfusions and beliefs that go against their own. This organization propagates hatred and intolerance for those that are not believers. The organization itself will dis-fellowship and shun its members for questioning its origin, reasoning for policies, beliefs, etc even when it regards the welfare of their children when faced with making decisions that could result in their death or the death of their child. This organization is the wolf in sheep clothing that we are warned about.

    • ANK

      I beg to differ. The commandment to abstain from blood is spoken of in both the old & new testaments, which most folks of Christendom are unaware of, because they do not know their Bibles. The fact is that when doctors tell us our child will die without a “blood” transfusion & we take them out of state, the vast majority do not die at all & those who have a “blood transfusion” forced upon them more often than not, die anyway.

      I was in many churches of Christendom, for years checking them out & found them full of hypocrisy & few, including the Pastors, knew their own Bibles even. If they really had known Jesus & the Sermon on the Mount, they would Not be going to war, ever because Jesus came with a new command of LOVE. I’m so very happy I finally found a group who refuse to go to war as per Jesus’ instructions, and who not only “talks the talk” Jesus did., they also “walk the walk” Jesus did & all disciples of Christ in the first century. I had been searching for that 1st century Christianity most of my life & can say I am so glad I finally found it. It saved my life!

      • Daniel Hernandez

        Well said ANK. You must be a fellow brother or sisterr. Greetings from your brothers and sisters in Arizona

        • ANK

          Greetings from CANADA. Stay faithful & don’t give up. Jesus said his true followers would be hated same as he was. ” Do not be surprised if the world hates you.” It hated me before it hated you. This is just one of the identifying marks of the true religion.

          • Victor Orazi

            Nobody hates you, that what the Watchtower makes you believe, ha ha, just we are stating the fact that you belong to an evil sect

          • ANK

            You obviously know neither The Bible, nor us. The first century Christians in the book of Acts were also called “sect/cult” by the mainstream religion in Jesus day. (Acts 24:14 & 28:22) I joined JWs in the 1970’s & I can honestly say that I have never seen anything evil or dangerous at all. I have heard much in the way of people’s personal opinions of who we are and what we supposedly believe, but then again everybody is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn’t make their opinion credible.

            May I suggest you go to jw.org and find out who we really are along with our beliefs & then request a free home Bible study to find out what the Bible really teaches & who are really “walking the walk” & “talking the talk” of Jesus & his 1st century disciples.

          • Victor Orazi

            Then again wrong, for most of the first century they were followers of James, now the concept of Christianity came with Paul, but Christianity was divided in many ideology. Second, the Book of Acts was written after the first century and has many contradictory point about locations and time of events, then again get your thoughts straight.

          • Victor Orazi

            JW.org is the last place to get the right information. The magazine Awake was kind of DC Comics. Many of the scientific topics in the Awake were twisted or 100 per cent lies.

          • Marcus Carlini

            I studied with my friend for a while but I have more questions than answers from this organization, so I decided to quit, one is that after a while he said if I have a doubt I should inquire from the Faithful and Discreet Slave and nobody else, well that worries me because I think a person has the right to inform himself and read opinions from other people. Another thing is that in one Assembly I attended, the speaker said not to watch Pbs because was pro-evolution, that was wrong, nobody can force other people to stop Pbs, I thing is a great Station and people learn a lot. The other thing is that Witnesses offer their magazines but they do not want to read other magazines, that s unfair, I think that if you question people’s belief then they are entitled to question what you believe, but one thing that strikes me is that Jehovah’s Witnesses are against independent thinking, me I am a critical thinker, I question everything, I am not the person that says yes to everything, so after studying with this guy, there were more questions than answers but he said that my doubts in time will disappear, I don’t think so, the idea that I have to accept everything this religion says does not go with my personality, then again he told me not to go to old publications, that I should read the newer magazines, I don’t understand that, what s wrong with the older publications, that came about because a friend of mind told me to check the older publication because there are a lot a false information in it, so I did, and I think this guy is right, this organization changes all the time, so that is the reason I decided to quit, I hated that I wasted my time with another false religion.

      • Lee Elder

        ANK speaks sincerely, but does so because she has been indoctrinated to believe (without question) whatever Watchtower writers say regarding the risks of using blood. It is well known in the medical community that the risks are real, but pale by contrast to the risks associated with rejecting a medically necessary blood transfusion. She or he, like the vast majority of JW’s, continue to believe that JW’s don’t use blood, when in fact they are permitted by the Watchtower to use 100% of blood in fractionated form. All of the individual components of red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma. These are facts not subject to dispute, and well known by informed JW elders, and HLC members.

        The notion that JW’s are “extremist” in the sense of a terrorist or violent group is absurd. They are good, decent, and law abiding people in general. Nonetheless, the devastation and terror they at times are responsible for as a result of their most harmful policies (blood transfusion, child abuse and shunning) are deeply troubling, and have led to many needless deaths, and ruined lives. Does this qualify them as an “extremist” group?
        No, I don’t think so. Should governments bring pressure upon them by removing their tax exempt status to effect reform? That seems both reasonable and responsible.

        There is comprehensive analysis of the Watchtower’s blood policy, largely written by JW elders and HLC members, available at: http://www.ajwrb.org

        • ANK

          Not at all. You need to get your facts straight, my foolish friend. I’d be pleased to study the Bible with you proving beyond a shadow of a doubt everything I have said, from your own Bible. Are you humble enough to accept my offer?

          • Victor Orazi

            Why does he has to accept a Bible study with you?. He can do his own research to find out what kind of Religion is Jehovah’$ Witnesses. There is so much material about Jehovah’s Witnesses on the internet that he can make his own decision without spending 6 months in a Bible Study.

          • ANK

            Why? Because the Bible is a locked book & understanding is only given to a ‘faithful few’, who are “walking the walk” that Jesus walked.

          • Victor Orazi

            Not really, somebody who do not know who that hell is the Faithful Slave will not accept your opinion, I can go to the internet and learn the history of JW from the beginning and read the older publication, besides you don’t have any evidences they are qualified.

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        • Victor Orazi

          Guauu that s really goes against what the Bible says, but let s not forget that in 1969 organ transplants were not allowed and many Jehovah s Witnesses died because of rules written by selfish humans in the organization, then an organ transplant is up to the member, guauu things should be black or white, not on the gray zone, the gray zone is a tool used by the Watchtower Inc. when things are clear but the Watchtower needs to twisted because some times Witnesses don’t follow their rules, one case has been the naturalization of many foreigners JW who became American citizens, a thing in the past punished by the Organization, now is up to the member.

      • Victor Orazi

        It does not apply to blood transfusion only if you eat blood, btw Jehovah’s Witnesses accept Organ Transplants, so there is a contradiction.

      • Victor Orazi

        As Long as 1 kid die is too many, that makes the Watchtower responsible for that crime.

      • Victor Orazi

        “In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue.”–AWAKE! May 22, 1994, page 2
        HANDSOME boys and beautiful smiling girls–“Youths Who Put God First”–brighten the magazine cover, making it an issue easy to place in the hands of unsuspecting millions answering the knock at their door. Only upon opening the May 22, 1994 AWAKE! magazine do readers discover that the appealing photos represent kids who died in obedience to the Watchtower Society’s ban on blood transfusions.
        Posed together in a group portrait in the foreground of Awake!’s cover are three extremely photogenic youngsters. Fifteen-year-old Adrian Yeatts died September 13, 1993, after the Supreme Court of Newfoundland, Canada, declared him a “mature minor” and rejected the Child Welfare department’s request for court-ordered transfusions. Twelve-year-old Lenae Martinez died in California on September 22, 1993, after the Valley Children’s Hospital ethics committee ruled her a “mature minor” and decided not to seek a court order.
        Twelve-year-old Lisa Kosack died (no date given) in Canada after holding off transfusion therapy by threatening that she “would fight and kick the IV pole down and rip out the IV no matter how much it would hurt, and poke holes in the blood.” (page 13)
        Did the Watchtower Society actually summon Adrian, Lenae, and Lisa for a group photo session in morbid anticipation of their martyrdom? Evidently not, since each is shown in the identical pose in separate photos with different backgrounds on pages 3, 9, and 12 of the magazine. The group portrait was produced, no doubt, in the photocomposition lab at the sect’s Brooklyn headquarters. Individual photos of 23 other attractive youths fill the background on Awake!’s cover. These other youngsters are neither named nor discussed, but the implication is that they too all died refusing blood products.

    • 61n61

      The organization does not abhor anyone due to their religious, ethnic, national, economic, or “other,” background(s). Jehovah’s Witnesses have a great deal of respect & empathy for all people whether they profess a faith or not. They do believe, however, that “Christendom” in all its various manifestations is essentially counterfeit Christianity. In fact, they’ve concluded that none of the religions of the world can provide lasting solutions to the problems facing the world & its people because they haven’t been granted that power from the God of the Bible. JW’s believe only Jehovah God’s Kingdom has such authority & power to change our world for the better & that it will do so wisely, fairly, & permanently. JW’s believe their understanding of the scriptures, for the most part, to be accurate and that their understanding of what Jehovah’s Kingdom will do for the earth & universe to be reliable. JW’s who continue to endure in championing this kingdom hope day after day, week after week, year after year, prove themselves to be genuine christians by obeying the directions found in the scriptures from their shepherd and future king Jesus Christ. Knowing these (and other) things and exercising faith while endeavoring to share them with others they come in contact with makes them anything BUT wolves in sheep clothing; it makes them true Christians.

      • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

        Watchtower 1993 November 1 p.19
        “True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.”

        • Victor Orazi

          Bla bla bla, your religion is a pedophile paradise, also you have a governing body that protects pedophiles and punish the victims, such religion is very evil, and deserve to be destroyed like any organization that belong to Babilon the Great,

        • 61n61

          There are different types of hate. JW’s are taught to hate the sin but not the sinner. If the sinner deliberately persists and is not remorseful, the scriptures instruct that such a one should be removed from the congregation UNTIL SUCH A TIME when that one IS remorseful and wishes to join us once again. I don’t believe this is unreasonable.

          Likewise, what you may “hate” today, you may find quite acceptable at another time under different circumstances. People & circumstances have a way of changing — as things have a way of turn, turn, turning …

          To everything (turn, turn, turn)
          There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
          And a time to every purpose, under heaven

          A time to be born, a time to die
          A time to plant, a time to reap
          A time to kill, a time to heal
          A time to laugh, a time to weep

          To everything (turn, turn, turn)
          There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
          And a time to every purpose, under heaven

          A time to build up, a time to break down
          A time to dance, a time to mourn
          A time to cast away stones, a time to gather stones together

          To everything (turn, turn, turn)
          There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
          And a time to every purpose, under heaven

          A time of love, a time of hate
          A time of war, a time of peace
          A time you may embrace, a time to refrain from embracing

          To everything (turn, turn, turn)
          There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
          And a time to every purpose, under heaven

          A time to gain, a time to lose
          A time to rend, a time to sew
          A time for love, a time for HATE
          A time for peace, I swear it’s not too late

          Chorus (etc.)

          • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

            You notice that the Watchtower, and the other publications, do not refer to “hating the sin but not the sinner”. They are very clear in saying “On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies,” and similar statements. “Enemies of God” of course, are defined by the leaders of Jehovah’s witnesses as well as all Jehovah’s witnesses. Over the years the witnesses have made it very clear, also, that all who do not accept the teachings of Jehovah’s witnesses are “enemies of God”.

          • Victor Orazi

            Let me fart on your meaningless comment

          • Victor Orazi

            Different types of hates, please allow my two balls to laugh

          • 61n61

            Can’t imagine they’ve done that too often; huh? Perhaps your “boys” have mistaken all the gas your “brain” is shooting out of your sphincter for laughing gas?

          • Victor Orazi

            Also there are different types of idiots.

      • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

        Watchtower 1992 July 15 pp.12-13 Christ Hated Lawlessness-Do You?
        “The obligation to hate lawlessness also applies to all activity by apostates. Our attitude toward apostates should be that of David, who declared: “Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you “

        • Victor Orazi

          Just go to the Middle East and preach your message there.

          • 61n61

            There are JW’s in the middle east doing just that. JW’s are EVERYWHERE! Get used to that idea. The time is coming when regardless of where you happen to find yourself you’ll only find other people who love Jehovah God. People such as you? Not so much.

      • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

        An apostate is literally someone who “turns aside”. Hence, anyone who leaves their religion of birth is by definition an apostate. The Watchtower Society defines an apostate as anyone that teaches contrary to Watchtower teachings.

        “Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses are apostates.” Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock p.94
        “Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah’s organization.” Reasoning From the Scriptures p.34

        • Victor Orazi

          Anybody has the right to teach or think different from your religion including people who used to be Jehovah’s Witnesses, calling somebody an apostate is very improper and only an evil person pronounces a word like that.

          • 61n61

            There are people who were at one time considered JW’s, perhaps due to being raised as such, & then decided they no longer wished to remain so, and there’s another whole category of people whom I believe still are JW’s in their hearts but are somewhat overwhelmed at any particular moment and aren’t as readily involved at any given time. I don’t view such people as apostates. People, along with perceptions, circumstances, convictions, etc., change.

            Successfully navigating it all is challenging for everyone. A JW apostate to me, if I had to define it, is someone who once shared our faith, but now, not only disagrees with significant JW beliefs, but is actively antagonistic toward them and those who exercise faith in them. Obviously it’s not all black & white and there is potentially plenty of grey in there for all to consider.

            For me though, when those who’ve left not only now disagree w/basic beliefs but become obviously disagreeable regarding those of us who remain JW, perhaps by subjecting present JW’s to public ridicule in our public ministry work or attempting to disrupt our meetings in some way, yes, I think defining such a one as an apostate is a fair & accurate assessment.

          • Victor Orazi

            With the internet less and less inactive JW are coming back, it s a good thing.

          • Elijah Ajibode

            Victor I am sure you will like to know more about Jehovah’s Witnesses and meaning and the reason for calling someone an apostate, it is not a harmful speech, check you dictionary for the meaning. However for further information about Jehovah’s Witnesses go to http://WWW.JW.ORG official website of Jehovah’s Witnesses, So it unwise to say it is evil to call someone an apostate it is rather bad to call someone evil and apostate.

          • Victor Orazi

            The Watchtower said that an Apostate is a mentally ill person, is not that improper speech or what?

          • 61n61

            Opinions are like butt holes; everybody’s got one. That bible verse displeases you? I find that rather comforting.

          • Victor Orazi

            Idgaf.

          • Victor Orazi

            I don’t need to go to JW.org to make up my mind, I make my own research about the Bible, first there are a lot of archaeology books at the book stores, also history books. I don’t need to study a religion, I study different sources about a religion, so that way I can take a decision.

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha how much crap

        • Victor Orazi

          I like the Watchtower Inc. how they twist a terminology, somebody who spreads lies contrary to the truth, well what truth, who has the truth?. Everything is relative, btw an Organization that failed miserably on Bible Prophecies can not hold the title of credibility.

        • Victor Orazi

          An Apostate is a baptized personally I don’t care.

        • Victor Orazi

          Pedophilia in Paradise

        • Victor Orazi

          Apostate is the most intelligent person, he won’t allow that crap stay in his mind, loseeeeeeerrrrrss

        • Victor Orazi

          Why you don t stop questioning other s people harassing people knocking doors, you don t want others knock your door but you go and harass people, if you don t want other people question your religion then stop harassing, violating people right to exercise their religion in peace, but you people can t take the heat, you are just a bunch of clowns raping people, knocking people door,’s and preaching a cult message.

      • Victor Orazi

        You do not have any evidence that God’s Kingdom started in 1914, before you say something bring the evidence, remember 607 bc is wrong, archaeology proved 587 bc is the right date for the destruction of Jerusalem.

        • 61n61

          JW’s believe the Bible to be the most reliable source when trying to ascertain “events” in the stream of time. For example, information recorded at Genesis 5: 1-29 & Genesis 7: 6 define the period between Adam’s creation and the start of the flood as being 1,656 years long. Using similar information found elsewhere in the scriptures, other blocks of time can be understood similarly.

          In determining when these blocks of time actually took place, JW’s apply what is commonly known as pivotal or fixed dates to determine when events recorded in the Bible and understood to have occurred by secular historians occurred.

          One such example of this is found in the 3rd chapter of Luke in which Luke writes that John the Baptizer began his preaching activity and later baptized Jesus during the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar’s reign as Roman Emperor. Since it is well established that Tiberius began his rule in September of 14 CE as per the Gregorian Calendar, JW’s have concluded that Jesus began his earthly ministry sometime in the year of 29 CE.

          The use of this and other pivotal or fixed dates as the JW “Insight On the Scriptures” book(s) puts it, “… allows for a methodical count back to the beginning of human history, a count that is facilitated by Biblical references to certain large periods of time … ” such as the example I utilized above regarding the time period between Adam’s creation and the flood.

          While I’ve already taken up more space here than I’d intended and believe it would be inappropriate to outline how JW’s have arrived at the conclusions regarding 607 BCE and 1914 CE, suffice to say we remain convinced these dates and our understanding of them to be correct. Unless and until such time as we are shown conclusively that these dates are erroneous, we’ll remain convinced of their accuracy & of the implications they contain for one and all.

          The short(er) answer here is, of course, we’ve reached different conclusions. Go figure?

          • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

            Are you too new to the Jw beliefs, that you do not realize, that the witnesses were Just as sure of many dates in the past, that are now proven absolutely false, even by the Watchtower org.

          • Victor Orazi

            Because they lie every time, credibility is at stake and for ex. Russell and Rutherford gave many false dates in order to scare people.

          • 61n61

            Well, then, how thankful we can all be to have someone as eminently qualified as you providing such a sharp contrast with that offered by Jehovah’s Witnesses. From where I sit, it’s a win/win for all concerned.

          • Victor Orazi

            You can bet on it, I have a lot of Watchtower literatures from 1960 onward so I am an authority on it, I can put even Jesus to shame.

          • 61n61

            Victor, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if you hadn’t done so already.

          • Victor Orazi

            Again, let me fart on your comment

          • 61n61

            Coming from a skid mark such as yourself, I find this surprisingly flattering.

          • Victor Orazi

            Again let me fart on your pathetic comments

          • RHDB

            Are you an atheist? You are so full of hatred.

          • Victor Orazi

            Very logical person I am. JW has a temper problem, if people don’t agree with him then he gets verbally abuse, remember the 9 fruits of the spirit.

          • Victor Orazi

            Let me fart on your comment.

          • 61n61

            As you know, JW’s were originally known as Bible “Students.” Though they sincerely desire(d), both in the past & at present, to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob to the best of their understanding and ability, I readily concede JW’s were/are imperfect and have neither had complete understanding of all that is found in the scriptures nor in perfectly living up to its standards. According to my understanding of the Bible, only one person EVER has. Individually and organizationally, they’ve fallen short, probably many more times than I could ever itemize though I’m confident you &/or some of your “friends” would have no trouble in claiming to do so. Over the years, adjustments have been made in many aspects of our worship even as our understanding of the Kingdom hope, its promises, its requirements for citizenship within it, etc., have continued to grow & more people globally have embraced its promises. You’re free to draw whatever conclusions you wish regarding any and all matters JW. As for me, I believe their understanding of the dates I referenced earlier to be scripturally justifiable —
            & correct. Ultimately, time will tell.

          • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

            “Though they sincerely desire(d), both in the past & at present, to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob to the best of their understanding and ability”

            I am sorry, I must disagree with that statement. I was a JW for 54 years, I didn’t know any witness who did that. Almost all JWs try to find time to read, at least the study articles, and mark the answers, but, little more than that.

            I know,… but we are just so busy,… ok, but is that to the best of their ability? I think not. I have done more studying the Bible and various publications than I did as a witness, I have listened to many debates by experts in science, philosophy, and other biblical subjects. My son, after leaving the org. over 20 years ago has done the same. He has attended 2 colleges and is now in Biola University, he is going for doctorates in both theology and philosophy.

            The reason I am saying this, is that I know, and he knows, that as a witness, we actually knew very little about the Bible, our God, and creation. JWs are limited to reading and believing what a few men has told them to read, and believe. Your minds are controlled and closed.

            Mark 12:30Amplified Bible (AMP)

            30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul (life), and with all your mind (thought, understanding), and with all your strength.’

            Do you think the witnesses are doing that? especially the “with all your MIND” part?

          • Victor Orazi

            I am very glad that your son went to the University, feel sorry for young Witnesses, no education no life.

          • Victor Orazi

            There was no adjustments, when Rutherford said the end was coming in 1925 and faithful servants were going to be resurrected, Rutherford suggested that the best way to welcome these ancient servants of God was to buy a Mansion in California, they bought an expensive property but in 1925 nobody was resurrected, but guess what? Rutherford moved there and the property was in his name even though he never paid for that property and the money came from member s donation, clearly 100 per cent scam, and this organization has been an scam from the beginning, now the governing body live in mansions in Patterson, NY and drive expensive cars.

          • Victor Orazi

            That is a disclaimer, Jesus talks about accurate knowledge, something so far this Religion did not get it, after 140 years all the prophecies uttered by this organization have been proven false.

          • Victor Orazi

            Yes, good answer.

          • Victor Orazi

            The problem is that you have no scientific evidence for the flood plus Archaeology contradicts the Bible with the time frame of many Bible events. I suggest you to go to Barnes and Noble and update yourself about Ancient times.

          • Victor Orazi

            There is a problem with 1513 bc because in Egypt, Israel was recognized of a Nation in the year 1200 bc, so we have a problem with your chronology, pushing 300 years forward and more than 1000 years from the flood in 2370 bc, that makes a big hole in the Bible.

          • Victor Orazi

            The 1914 tesis started about 1950, Russell said the beginning of the time of the end started in 1799 and 1914 was the end of the world, the generation of 1914 was taught somewhere in 1950, the Watchtower accommodated Matthew 24 to the contemporary events, but Matthew has no correlation with this time, besides the Gospels we’re written after the destruction of Jerusalem and they contradict each specially with the year Jesus was born, one gospel says that Jesus was born 6 bc and that will eliminate the concept of the 70 weeks, then the date Jesus was baptized is wrong, we need to set that date about 25 ac.

          • Victor Orazi

            There were people on earth 20,000 years ago and before, where in the Bible those people are included, for example the Bible never mencions the Sumerians, Sumerians dated back circa 7000 years ago, show me in the Bible where those civilizations are mentioned in the Bible and why the Bible never mentioned China.

          • Victor Orazi

            There goes your failed chronology:
            According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975. So six thousand years of man’s existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation.

            How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a Sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants!

      • Mark

        That is very accurate.
        The Doctrines of Christendom are all that’s needed to see the falsehood. Hell Fire, the Trinity. How can God be three people yet one all knowing. Yet Jesus could not and did not have the authority Almighty God Jehovah has Mat 20:20-23.

      • Marcus Carlini

        I would like to know this, if somebody who is a Jehovah’s Witness one day decides to change religion, for example, he quit being a Jehovah’s Witness and now is a Mormon, do you expel that out of the organization?.

    • Victor Orazi

      They propagate hatred against minorities like Homosexuals, Transgender, etc. I remember in late 1969 they wrote an Article saying that in the world there was an epidemic of Homosexuals, is not that hatred or what?

      • RHDB

        1 Corinthians 6:9 homosexuality prohibited. God is very strict on his standard of righteousness. While I agree that sometimes people are born with that inner desire to be another sex or with their own sex, it is possible to do what is right and inherit Gods kingdom by being obedient even if it’s not easy.

        Satan continually makes these things appear acceptable when the Bible is clear on these practices. 2Cor 11:14

        After all he is the god of this system, no wonder everything in opposition to Gods standards he upholds. 1Thes 4:3 abstain

        • Victor Orazi

          That not true, sexual orientation is not chosen by the person, like us the heterosexuals do not choose sexual orientation, it is in the gene. There are a lot of gays at Betel, many have sexual intercourse living there, of course in secret. You comment contradict​s science like many compliments uttered by the Watchtower.

          • RHDB

            It’s not science, it’s that little thing called a conscience, which you wouldn’t understand not having one. People choose to do what’s wrong.

            Your statements couldn’t be further from truth. If it’s genes then how come we are not all bad, having the “imperfect” gene? We choose to do good even though we were born with bad genes.

            There’s no homosexuals at Bethel utter nonsense.

          • Victor Orazi

            Haha Atheists have better Conscience than Jehovah’s Witnesses. We are critical thinkers and take information from many sources, different from JW who are against independent thinking but at the same time their IQ is very low because living in a Cult people can not reason, their leaders do that, very​ pathetic.

          • Victor Orazi

            Being homosexual is nothing wrong, being a pedophile yes

    • David Alfonso

      The role of Christendom in worldly affairs (Rev. 14:8), the command to “abstain from blood” (Acts 15:20), the practice of disfellowshipping (1Cor. 5:6, 11-13) are all bible-based teachings. BIBLE-BASED teachings that are championed by Jehovah’s Witnesses found in all corners of the earth. Even that fact itself, was foretold in scripture. Part of the reason that Christendom finds herself in the dismal state that she is in is because she has failed to uphold GOD’S standards of life: spiritually, morally and physically!

      The fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses continue to be persecuted is motivating evidence that our reigning King and redeemer, Jesus Christ, is with us to guide us and protect us as we faithfully carry out his COMMAND to preach the good news of the kingdom just as he did when on earth (Matt. 24:14). Truthfully, how many non Jehovah’s Witnesses are preaching the good news about the kingdom patterned after his example? The answer is obvious to all.

      This world is going down fast! The reasons why this is happening and the instruction we need from our Creator, Jehovah God, to survive are explained in YOUR OWN COPY OF THE BIBLE. Whether you want to accept it or not the fact is there are only 2 organizations on this earth. God’s and Satan’s. Ultimately, the choice is ours to make as to which we will support. But it’s going to take a little more than saying we “believe in Jesus” for us to prove to our loving heavenly father, Jehovah, and our glorious King, Jesus, that we uphold God’s sovereignty.

      In the meantime, we continue to pray in behalf of our brothers and sisters in Russia and throughout all the earth that they may endure to the end. Their reward for such endurance is promised by our God Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ.
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      • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

        It is difficult to keep some posts short because of the many things said and the need for many answers, but, I will simply use a short example. You claim, above, that all the teachings of Jehovah’s witnesses are “Bible based” I ask you, what about smoking? where in the Bible do you find the command to disfellowship anyone for smoking? or, for that matter, taking a blood transfusion.

        • mark

          This verse seems to be conveniently forgotten regarding taking in blood.

          Leviticus 17:15
          15 “And if any native-born Israelites or foreigners eat the meat of an animal that died naturally or was torn up by wild animals, they must wash their clothes and bathe themselves in water. They will remain ceremonially unclean until evening, but then they will be clean. 16 But if they do not wash their clothes and bathe themselves, they will be punished for their sin.”

          So, everyone who has died refusing a blood transfusion could have been clean in the eyes of God if they had only washed their clothes and bathed.

          • 61n61

            Mark, Leviticus 17: 15&16 addresses an entirely different issue than the prohibition placed on blood that’s recorded at Leviticus 17: 10-14; apples & oranges.

            Best analogy I can come up with is we know Jehovah God told Adam that from all the trees in the garden he could eat to satisfaction, but in the day he ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad, he would surely die. Suppose Adam, on his own and without any encouragement from anyone else, reasoned that since he could eat the fruit from all the OTHER trees, surely God wouldn’t fault him for just sampling the fruit from the tree God had earlier prohibited him from partaking from. Had such a scenario taken place and Adam ate from THAT tree, he’d have been guilty of a serious lapse in judgment, and paid a terrible price for doing so.

            Likewise, there was a prohibition placed on the consumption of blood that still applied regardless of how the animal that was to be consumed died. When eating the meat of an animal that was found after dying naturally or having been killed by wild animals or having been slaughtered deliberately for consumption, the party intending to consume such an animal was still required to dispose of the blood by pouring it out and covering it with dust/dirt/earth. The washing of ones clothing and bathing in water were provisions God made that enabled an Israelite/alien resident to consume such an animal and still remain clean towards God & with respect to the rest of the camp. Doing so, however, would NOT have made someone who had consumed the blood along with the meat innocent &/or clean respecting the law God had just informed them of. Hopefully that clears up any confusion.

          • mark

            You just added to the scripture by suggesting he is still to pour out the blood of the dead animal. It clearly doesn’t say that. If that is the legal requirement of the person finding the dead animal, it would say, “before eating the animal, first pour out the blood.”
            I quoted the verses that immediately follow the blood law. That is the remediation for someone who breaks the blood law.

            “Leviticus 17: 15&16 addresses an entirely different issue than the prohibition placed on blood that’s recorded at Leviticus 17: 10-14; apples & oranges.” <<—-Not true.

          • 61n61

            It just stated in Leviticus 17:14: “For the life* of every sort of flesh is its blood, because the life* is in it. Consequently, I said to the Israelites: “You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.”

            What is it about “You must NOT eat the blood of ANY SORT OF FLESH because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood” and “Anyone eating it will be cut off” that you don’t understand?

            In no way does finding an already dead animal and choosing to consume it revoke the responsibility of those choosing to eat it to first properly dispose of the blood contained in such an animal.

          • mark

            Because, the next verse addresses what to do if someone actually eats blood anyway. There is a legal remediation. Any legal code is going to have a way to address what to do if someone breaks a law. It says, ” they must wash their clothes and bathe themselves in water. They will remain ceremonially unclean until evening, but then they will be clean.” Why doesn’t this make sense to you? It is plainly written. I shouldn’t be expected to do bible verse connect the dots to understand that in any other way. It reads straight through.

          • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

            I would point out that the same prohibition was on fat as it was on blood. Why is it ok for JWs to eat fat? And, I think I remember correctly, that animals which had died without the blood being drained were permitted to be used by “sojourners” within the land of Israel, since JWs are not Jews why would they be under the prohibition put on the Jews?

          • Victor Orazi

            Don’t get an organ transplant because you are eating human flesh lol.

          • 61n61

            At the direction of the Apostles found at Acts 15: 28&29, Christians were also directed to abstain from misusing blood.

          • Victor Orazi

            We are not under law.

      • Victor Orazi

        Being persecuted is not a reason for an organization to say that they own the truth, in China Catholics are persecuted for not been in accord with the government, also in the Middle East many Islamic groups are persecuted by other branch of the Islam, Scientology is Russia has been banned. The other problem with your point of view is that the Governing Body never been persecuted, the only people been persecuted are the members, their leaders live like kings in Patterson, NY.

      • Victor Orazi

        Praying for your brothers in Russia is not enough, send money and food, yes show what kind of person you are, your talk is cheap, much better go there, enjoy been persecuted along your brothers in Russia, that is a good way to test your faith in Jehovah, or much better preach in the Middle East, preach to the Isis soldiers, they need your message of love and hope, enjoy the feeling of been burnt to death or being decapitated, you will have the opportunity to meet Jehovah sooner, the hope of your Resurrection will be a reality, you will have the opportunity to live in Paradise, call me when you go there, don’t give me any lecture when you are nothing, just a pure chatter.

        • David Alfonso

          Get your facts straight so you stop making yourself look so ridiculously ignorant. Instead of bashing JW’s learn what it means to be a GENUINE Christian and practice it! Have a nice day…

          • Victor Orazi

            Yes, like I say, don’t tell me that, just go with that message to the Middle East, do not be a clown, go there an preach your message to the Islamic People, prove that you really have faith in Jehovah your God, put your faith to the test, you will be decapitated or raped, but anyway you will meet Jehovah and see the angels, you will be resurrected in Paradise, prove that you are not afraid of men, yes, get a ticket and go to Iran, you Witnesses are a bunch of Hypocrites, selfish people, only good to flip burger and harass people Sunday Morning.

          • Victor Orazi

            hey David, why you don t insert a cartridge of dynamite in your asshole and blow your ass up and call me how does it feel.

          • Victor Orazi

            More than 1,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses Have Been Accused of Child Sex Abuse in Australia — And Police Never Knew
            By Rachel Browne

            July 28, 2015 |
            A government inquiry underway in Australia has revealed that more than 1,000 members of the Jehovah’s Witness Church there have been accused of child sexual abuse since 1950 — yet none of them have ever been reported to the police.

            Church elders had a strict policy of keeping all complaints of sexual abuse under wraps and would instead investigate the claims themselves, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse heard in Sydney on Monday during the first day of hearings into the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

            This latest round of hearings is part of the commission’s broader national inquiry into child sex abuse that has captivated Australians since it started in 2013 after claims of sexual abuse within the Catholic Church.

            According to the Sydney Morning Herald, around 60 people have contacted the commission with knowledge of sexual abuses happening among Jehovah’s Witnesses.

            “Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the only way to finally end child abuse is to, as they put it, ’embrace God’s kingdom under Christ’ and to ‘love God with all your heart,” Angus Stewart, an attorney for the commission, said during the hearing.

            One woman, identified only as BCG, told the commission about how her father, a senior official in the church, began molesting her at age 17 and her three sisters, who were four and six years old. Even though elders knew about the abuse, it took six years and three trials before he was convicted with the crime.

            “I used to pray to Jehovah to put angels around my bed to stop my father coming to me, but he didn’t help me and my father didn’t stop,” she testified, adding he would also beat her with a belt when she tried to get out of attending church meetings.

            BCG, now 43, said she spent much of her adolescence afraid of speaking out against her father and lived in constant fear of being shunned by the church, which taught that God would abandon anyone who disobeyed him.

            She eventually reported the abuse to the elders, but she says was forced to confront her father directly during several meetings, as was church practice, yet he continued to threaten her and blamed her for “seducing him.”And she was asked not to discuss the matter with anyone else. “I was being asked to respect the man who had done those things to me,” she continued. “But nobody was offering me any respect or proper support.”

            Elders and other church members testified that the church could excommunicate (or “disfellowship”) any members found to have committed sexual abuse, but they believed victims only if the abuser confessed or if there were two or more witnesses to the abuse.

            Another witness, called BCB, told the commission she was sexually abused by an elder when she was 15 years old. She too was forced to confront her abuser in person and that only made the abuse worse.

            She says church elders tried to dissuade her from testifying at the commission, fearing she would “drag Jehovah’s name through the mud.”

            One church elder who dealt with BCB’s case, Max Horley, told the inquiry that the elders told the victims they could go to the police. But he also admitted to destroying the notes he took about her allegations.

            “We don’t want our wives knowing our stuff, what sorts of things we were dealing with,” Horley testified. “We don’t want other people in the congregations coming across that information.”

            The inquiry also heard that 401 members were cast out following internal church investigations, but that more than half were eventually brought back into the fold.

            There are around 70,000 active Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia — the group reports it has more than 8 million worldwide.

            Jehovah’s Witnesses are members of a movement based in Christianity that started in the US in the 19th century. Witnesses are infamous for going door-to-door to share their beliefs and attempt to convert strangers; they also refuse to celebrate most religious and secular holidays and object to things like military service and blood transfusions.

            For years, scandals have swirled around Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia in particular, ranging from deadly rivalries between leaders and charges that it’s a dangerous cult.

            The royal commission has also probed sexual abuses happening among the Orthodox Jewish community in Australia, and is also mandated to investigate such abuses happening in secular organizations for children such as schools and sports clubs.

            The hearing into the Jehovah’s Witness community is expected to continue for two more weeks. The commission will weigh the possibility of pursuing criminal charges against elders who covered up abuses.

            Follow Rachel Browne on Twitter: @rp_browne

            TOPICS: australia, jehovah’s witnesses, catholic church, royal commission into institutional responses to child sex abuse, angus stewart

      • Victor Orazi

        David, not only pray is sufficient, send money and food, faith without actions is useless, if you are really a man with two balls, instead of praying I encourage you to sell your house and give all your money to the poor brothers in Russia, talk is cheap, you are cheap, you are a real hypocrite, but you can prove I am wrong, also instead of preaching here, the soil is completely saturated with your pessimistic message, go to Russia, enjoy suffering with the Brothers there, feel the persecution, put your God and your faith to the test, don t be a wimp, see your message is nothing, you talk about praying and the reason is that you are a pitiful person, you talk non-sense, you and all the witnesses are a bunch of wimps, stop being so ridiculous and stupid, pedazo de alconoque con dos ojos.

      • Marcus Carlini

        I understand about abstaining from Blood, it is in the book of Act but I don’t believe that applies to blood transfusion, in my opinion it only applies when it comes to eat blood, anyway what I do not understand that you reject blood transfusion but you accept an organ transplant, this is my idea, if you can not eat blood then you can not eat human flesh, both are the same form of cannibalism.

    • D P

      Why Don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses Accept Blood Transfusions?
      Myth: Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in medicine or medical treatment.
      Fact: We seek the best possible medical care for ourselves and our families. When we have health problems, we go to doctors who have skill in providing medical and surgical care without blood. We appreciate advancements that have been made in the medical field. In fact, bloodless treatments developed to help Witness patients are now being used to benefit all in the community. In many countries, any patient can now choose to avoid blood-transfusion risks, such as blood-borne diseases, immune-system reactions, and human errors.
      Myth: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that faith will heal a person’s ailments.
      Fact: We do not practice faith healing.
      Myth: Avoiding blood transfusions is very costly.
      Fact: Medical treatments that avoid blood transfusions are cost-effective. *
      Myth: Many Witnesses, including children, die each year as a result of refusing blood transfusions.
      Fact: This statement is totally unfounded. Surgeons regularly perform such complex procedures as heart operations, orthopedic surgery, and organ transplants without the use of blood transfusions. * Patients, including children, who do not receive transfusions usually fare as well as or better than those who do accept transfusions. * In any case, no one can say for certain that a patient will die because of refusing blood or will live because of accepting it.
      Why don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses accept blood transfusions?
      This is a religious issue rather than a medical one. Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life.
      Changing viewpoints
      Complex surgeries can be successfully performed without blood transfusions
      At one time, the medical community generally viewed strategies for avoiding transfusions, so-called bloodless medicine, as extreme, even suicidal, but this has changed in recent years. For example, in 2004, an article published in a medical education journal stated that “many of the techniques developed for use in Jehovah’s Witness patients will become standard practice in years to come.” * An article in the journal Heart, Lung and Circulation said in 2010 that “‘bloodless surgery’ should not be limited to J[ehovah’s] W[itnesses] but should form an integral part of everyday surgical practice.”
      Thousands of doctors worldwide now use blood-conservation techniques to perform complex surgeries without transfusions. Such alternatives to blood transfusions are used even in developing countries and are requested by many patients who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
      Everyone has the right of free choice and to make a choice it’s wise to get all the information to make that free choice.

      • mark

        According to a statistical study on JWs, up to 1200 people died last year refusing blood during surgery. This is a tragedy, especially when the bible gives a remediation for taking in blood requiring the person to just wash their clothing and bathe. Sad…
        Titled: Jehovah’s Witnesses and Blood – Tens of Thousands Dead in Hidden Tragedy
        http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy

        Leviticus 17:15
        15 “And if any native-born Israelites or foreigners eat the meat of an animal that died naturally or was torn up by wild animals, they must wash their clothes and bathe themselves in water. They will remain ceremonially unclean until evening, but then they will be clean. 16 But if they do not wash their clothes and bathe themselves, they will be punished for their sin.”

        • http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/11/blood-transfusions-evil-or-good.html

          The fact is One study showed that 4 of 5 patients who took blood transfusions during surgery DIED as a result of diseases caused by the blood.

          • mark

            I’m skeptical. That looks more like religious propaganda for the medically illiterate. Your link is to a blog with an obvious religious bias. Challenge, Can you post the medical journal and study that published the study? I want to read under what circumstances the study was done, how the data was collected as well as the peer review. Was it a double blind study? According to Mayo and WHO, it is very safe.

          • Do your own research. Like I did. I have NO bias. I hate most religions because they do not follow Christ’s teaching. They make up emotional crap and sell it to people. The more the preacher rants and raves and rev’s up the dogma, the more money in the collection plate.

            Jesus (Yeshua) the Messiah says we are to have NO paid clergy. Selling salvation is actually a sin.

            We are to have no TEACHERS, NO “FATHERS”, no RABBIS, because HE is the ONLY teacher and he teaches with holy spirit and the Words he spoke. ONLY PEER BIBLE STUDENTS ARE ALLOWED according to Jesus Christ.

            You will notice that the collections all start in these Churches when emotional rhetoric is in full blast. Satan is the god of emotions, because that is where human weaknesses are. That is how one is destroyed forever.

            Jehovah God is the GOD of LIFE, love, spirit and knowledge, not of emotion and dread. Jehovah Hates religions also and says so in the Bible.

            John 4:24
            God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

            There are some 200,000 sects of so called “Christendom” all with their own ideas. There is only ONE Christ and HIS IDEAS are what matter.

            For you to understand His IDEAS, you bypass religion and go to the Bible. There is only ONE TRUTH. That is what Jehovah’s Witnesses do. They are nothing more than humble peer Bible Students sharing and helping each other all over the earth.

            That is it. This is the MOST threatening thing to religion that has happened to them, and so they present all sorts of lies about them, because there is no money in this.

            This is just during and after the transfusion. Later effects are patients have increased visits to the hospital and death over time fro the degrading effects to their body from the transplant of all the diseases in the blood.

            http://pathology.ucla.edu/workfiles/Education/Transfusion%20Medicine/10-8-VamvakasBloodTransfusionMortality.pdf

          • The facts are in. The use of blood from a blood bank during any surgery, transplant, even most car accidents is proven to be NOT needed by medical science. People are getting lung and heart transplants with no blood from any blood bank. And the recovery is MUCH faster with much better results. This is why bloodless surgery is now the highest level of treatments.

          • mark

            And of course you failed. Instead of delivering evidence in the form of a peer reviewed medical study, as requested, you instead gave your biased opinion. Nothing remarkable there.

          • I take it you are lazy. I posted medical articles in my answers. There are TONS of articles NOW on this subject.

            You simply don’t want to know. Emotional people cannot deal with reality. If I put a glass of blood out for you to drink, would you drink it?

            Are you a vampire? Do you know anything about medical studies and can you even read them?

            The FACTS are in bloodless surgery is the CROWNING HIGHEST LEVEL of treatment today, proven by now hundreds of thousands of cases.

            Acts 15:20
            20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols,+ from sexual immorality,*+ from what is strangled,* and from blood.+

            We would not need medical if humans had followed God’s Laws for life. Humans are stupid, and we can see from the results, OBVIOUSLY, all around how horrible they are at understanding anything. Humans are destroying life on earth as fast as they can, and yet you want to believe they are smarter than God.

          • mark

            “Are you a vampire? ” Standard ad hominem tactic.
            You still fail to show published study in a medical journal, as I just did. I knew you couldn’t. Because, the science doesn’t support your beliefs.

            Those videos are typical cherry picking the evidence. Cherry picking is how pseudo-science works. Ignore the vast body of evidence and only present the few evidences that support your case. Then, create a conspiracy to explain why most doctors and scientists don’t believe as you do.
            Your aversion to transfusions and medical treatment reminds me of that JW Richard White. Who, after he hacked all of those worldly people with the machete in the LA airport, refused blood transfusion and died in custody.
            It appears the cognitive dissonance is setting in.

            P.S. Please keep posting your rebuttals. My hopes are that non-JWs will read your posts and see how typical JWs think. We need to keep the public informed. Thanks for your help.

          • I just posted MANY videos from MD’s and Surgeons all over the WORLD who talk about how GREAT bloodless surgery is.

            And YOU have no sense of humor at all. You are full of hate for God. Don’t you know that Jehovah wants you to live? Why is death so important to you?

            You go on with emotional garbage and ignorance of science and believe all the emotionally diseased people as your guides. You, obviously, are not a Christian.

          • mark

            “And YOU have no sense of humor at all. You are full of hate for God. Don’t you know that Jehovah wants you to live? Why is death so important to you?

            You go on with emotional garbage and ignorance of science and believe all the emotionally diseased people as your guides. You, obviously, are not a Christian.”
            —This whole statement is an ad hominem attack. After I just called you out on the last one, you do it again. Ad Hominem attack is a logical fallacy and dishonest. I believe there is a commandment regarding bearing false witness.

            “I just posted MANY videos from MD’s and Surgeons all over the WORLD who talk about how GREAT bloodless surgery is.”
            —Like I said, cherry pick your videos. Still no peer reviewed medical studies.
            Keep the posts coming. lol

          • It is NOT and attack. Statements of FACT are not attacks on you as a person. It is an attack on the IGNORANCE that is destroying your life.

            You seem to love to be ignorant.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Bloodless+surgery+medicine

            Is 345 peer studies not enough for you? I found this in 5 seconds. Pub Med is the AUTHORITY and repository of 99% of modern medical findings.

          • mark

            It is an attack. You haven’t seen the meaning of your own sentences. If you don’t know that you are guilty of ad hominem attack, they you don’t even know the definition of the term.

            Nope, not off the hook just because you do a search. You didn’t even pick a study as your evidence. All you did was search(bloodless surgery medicine).
            Your claim, “The fact is One study showed that 4 of 5 patients who took blood transfusions during surgery DIED as a result of diseases caused by the blood.” is unsubstantiated.
            Which one of those studies shows proves that point? This is what we have been arguing about the whole time. Back in your court.

          • mark

            Jehovah’s Witnesses Face Increased Risk Of Death During Childbirth
            https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/153743.php

            Thanks for the link to ncbi. I found this study on JWs. It affirms my above statement that JWs have a 1% higher rate of death in surgery due to refusing blood. Est. 1200 would have died last year from refusing blood.
            Are transfusions overrated? Surgical outcome of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8430707

          • You posted ONE article from 1993 done by a GUILTY doctor who has no idea how to perform bloodless surgery.

            You are not only STUPID, your research methods are atrocious.

          • There are MANY new treatments for women in childbirth to stop blood INSTANTLY, and as soon as doctors are trained then these doctors will stop killing Jehovah’s Witnesses. Some of the blood stopping methods came about because of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Army has filed packs with these treatments for being shot in battle.

          • mark

            Here is the proper response. Peer reviewed medical journal. Well, except it shows that you are wrong. https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/ReportaProblem/TransfusionDonationFatalities/ucm391574.htm#A

          • The FDA is not a medical journal.

          • Medical Doctors are the third leading cause of death in the USA.
            Official statistics is 400,000 people die every year from medical mistakes, and some 12,000,000 people are harmed even crippled by medical errors.

            http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

            These are ONLY the ones in which the family insists on autopsy to find out the cause of death. Unofficial is about 756,000 deaths by doctor.

            They kill over 75,000 from giving them infections when the patient goes to the hospital, because they are not good at keeping the air ducts free from bacteria nor the surfaces in the hospital.

            The Medical Industry is recommending that if you are put in the hospital, you have one of your family members go around the room and disinfect it. Spray off all the surfaces and wipe them with a disinfecting wipe. Just going to the toilet in a hospital and touching things can KILL you.

            The only rooms that are regularly treated with UV light are operating rooms.

            Even Wall Mart and Safeway and most good stores put antiseptic wipes for you to wipe the carts down with. Why would they do such a thing, unless SOMEONE DIED.

          • mark

            However, off topic. If you ever get something like heart disease or cancer, just stay home and treat it with chicken soup or maybe Tannis root.

          • The majority of humans are PROVEN to be stupid according to medical studies of human DNA from our ancestors who were far more intelligent and far less mentally ill. This is fact. 345 peer studies in not enough to convince someone as willfully ignorant as you seem to be.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Bloodless+surgery+medicine

        • Donated blood may grow ‘stale’ quickly

          http://www.futurity.org/donated-blood-may-grow-stale-quickly/

        • “The primary findings in one such study from our institution are summarized in Figure 1. The overall costs of providing bloodless care were 12% to 14% lower, with morbid events occurring with no higher incidence and mortality occurring with a lower incidence in the bloodless patients.”

          http://anesthesiaexperts.com/uncategorized/bloodless-medicine-surgery-top-10/

          The arguments about using blood needlessly are OVER. Bloodless (using blood from donors) is archaic and stupid now, because of the evidence.

      • http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/11/blood-transfusions-evil-or-good.html

        In ONE study 4 of 5 patients taking whole blood from the blood bank DIED eventually from diseases relating to the blood.

    • Elijah Ajibode

      I can understand now Amelia, you are an apostate, where and which religion in the world over that is as tolerant than JW where can you find best unity not the hypocritical one throughout the world if not Jehovah’s organisation, no racial bias. Continue saying it people will find out about who are Jehovah’s witnesses and they will know the truth.

      • Victor Orazi

        I knew white JW who were against ilegal immigration, also I remember a white circuit overseer who didn’t want to talk to a Mexican circuit overseer, also I know the Governing Body never chose Latinos or African brothers to be part of the Governing Body, after a 140 years of JW history there is only one black brother but he is like a Butler in the organization.

    • Victor Orazi

      Thousand of young kid died for not getting a blood transfusion, it s kind of the Inquisition.

    • Blood is POISON from over 40 different causes found in blood. That is why God says DON’T TAKE BLOOD.

      And all of modern surgeons NOW KNOW that this is true. IN one case, just one hospital, 4 out of 5 patients who took blood DIED from the poisons in the blood.

      Yet, you are an emotional wreck who needs Jehovah drastically, and yet you will do all you can to be driven by your ignorant emotions to eternal death.

      Those who speak against God’s Holy Spirit are condemned.

      Matthew 12:31
      “For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven.

      Mark 3:29
      But whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit has no forgiveness forever but is guilty of everlasting sin.”

      Matthew 12:311599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      31 Wherefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

      Mark 3:291599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      29 But he that blasphemeth against the holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but is culpable of eternal damnation.

  • ANK

    If your Religion requires you to Hate other people, you need a new religion! After all the religion Jesus established was based on love of Jehovah & their fellowman, extending even to ones enemies. (Sermon on the Mount Matthew chapters 5-7 inclusive) . I would imagine that sounded pretty oppressed/extreme back in Jesus’ day & so they killed him. I know from Acts of the Apostles that mainstream religion back in his day called them a cult/sect & they said about them, “it is known that everywhere they are spoken against”.

    • Victor Orazi

      You are completely wrong and you have a brain of a fly, the name Jehovah does not appear in the New Testament, get the fact straight, Jehovah was included by the Watchtower Society, but Jesus and his followers were not Christians, that started with the Apostle Paul, my friend, get the fact straight, you just repeat what the Watchtower Inc, tells you, stop being an ass kisser of the WT.

      • ANK

        Actually the Tetragramaton, YHWH or JHVH does appear in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which pre-date all other manuscripts by 1000 years. My new Divine King James Bible, has now restored the name Jehovah nearly 7000 times where they admit to removing it back in the year 1611 & substituting GOD & Lord. It’s about time, don’t you think, since it is a mortal sin adding to or taking away from, God’s Word, the Holy Bible.

        May I ask what religion you are?

        • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

          You may want to give that council to the writers of Watchtower publications. They have added to and taken away from the Bible several times in their version.

          • ANK

            Actually you may not be aware of this but Bible Scholars have rated the NWT as the most accurate Bible Translation on the planet today. And these Bible Scholars were not JWs either, so they had no dog in the fight.

          • Victor Orazi

            You are wrong again, King James is the most reliable transportation and NWT is a fraud.

          • mark

            No they haven’t!

          • Victor Orazi

            In general, most English translations are going to be over 99.5% accurate, with minimal variance between them. Translations that are less accurate and best avoided as actual translations of scripture are loose paraphrases like the Message and cult translations like the New World translation by the Jehovah’s witnesses.

        • mark

          Victor was mentioning the New Testament. The tetragramaton has not been found in any of the oldest New Testament manuscripts. The Dead Sea Scrolls do not have any texts from the New Testament, nor any mention of Jesus, for that matter.

          • ANK

            That is correct but when any quotations were made in the NT, from the OT, if God’s name was in the OT, the divine name would have been used. Jesus certainly knew his heavenly Father’s name & in one of his prayers, he said, “I have made your name known and will continue to make it known”. Why, because the Jewish Sopherim had removed it under superstition of one of the 10 Commandments, that of, “Thou shalt not take God’s name in vain or (in a worthless way). There were so very many quotes from the OT in the NT and there the name would have been quoted. Remember the original text has long gone & the copies of copies are what we have today in museums & libraries.

          • mark

            There is no historical evidence that the tetragramaton was removed from the now lost original manuscripts of the NT. The best rule to follow for any translator is to stick with the original text and not to redact it. The WT has redacted the NT by adding the tetragramaton. There have been more than 40 gospels written. None of them that still exist have the tetragramaton.

          • Victor Orazi

            One of the biggest lies this organization made when they were working on the NWT was that Frank was fluent in 7 languages and Ancient Greek, well that was completely false, Frank said that he was fluent in Spanish and that was false, in 1966 in a convention in Argentina he gave a speech and he needed a translator into Spanish and when I talked to him in Spanish he did not understand what I said, now about fluent in Ancient Greek that was a 100 per cent true lie, he knew some classical Greek, Since he was involved in the translation of the NWT the Watchtower wanted to give the idea that many scholastic brothers were working on it, but the NWT only is just a make up of the Bible, the only thing they did was to change some certain Bible verses in order to accommodate the Bible to their twisted teachings, Frank was not a brilliant person, he was a liar.

        • RHDB

          I also asked the same question. He grew up in a Witness home. That’s why he knows so much about the truth. Now an atheist.

          • Victor Orazi

            The truth according to the Watchtower.

          • Victor Orazi

            I was sixteen when my father met JW and they could not indoctrinate me because I was old enough to understand the facts. It s different when you are a baby, easy to be brainwashed.

  • JJRIZO Rizoli

    The Jw’s are a very dangerous CULT that appears so mundane and docile from the outside but when you as a member disagree with them they are a roaring lion ready to devour all that expose their hypocrisy.
    But saying that they should not be banned, let people find out for themselves how dangerous they are on their own. The problem is it might be too late for those that are in the religion to see the hypocrisy of their own religion. So if their is any danger it’s within their own religion among themselves that the CULT mentality operates, because on their own, outside of their CULT control they are harmless.

    Jim Rizoli

  • Victor Orazi

    I feel bad about the members, because they are the ones to be persecuted, the Governing Body in New Jersey live like rich people inside their mansions, while the people are oppressed by the world and by their Satanic Teaching like No Blood Transfusion, against military service, etc.
    The governing Body is a group of criminals that deserve to be prosecuted and put every one of them in jail

  • Victor Orazi

    Failed Prophecy taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses before 1975 like many other false prophecies uttered by the evil Watchtower:
    *** Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15 ***
    If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the ‘last days’ in 1914, Jesus foretold:’This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.’ Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

    If you were 20 in 1969, put confidence in the Governing Body writing as God’s Channel, did not pursue a career or education, and you are 58 years old now with no education and no career — would YOU call this “false prophecy”?

  • Victor Orazi

    *** Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15 ***
    If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the ‘last days’ in 1914, Jesus foretold:’This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.’ Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

    If you were 20 in 1969, put confidence in the Governing Body writing as God’s Channel, did not pursue a career or education, and you are 58 years old now with no education and no career — would YOU call this “false prophecy”?

  • Rufus T. Firefly

    [As one who voluntarily disassociated from Jehovah’s Witnesses for conscientious reasons after more than 45 years, I wholeheartedly endorse the comments made by Amelia Rodriguez, Lee Elder, and Victor Orazi.]

    Forced to Choose Between Beliefs and Family

    “No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds objectionable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.” That statement appeared in the article “Is It Wrong to Change Your Religion?” in the July 2009 Awake magazine, published and distributed widely by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Nearly everyone reading that statement would consider it mere common sense. However, to Jehovah’s Witnesses, that statement only applies to those changing religions to become a Jehovah’s Witness, not to those who leave the Witnesses for conscientious reasons.

    That same Awake article continued: “Does study of the Bible lead to family breakup? No. In fact, the Bible encourages a husband and wife who practice different religions to remain together as a family.” Yet, Jehovah’s Witnesses who voluntarily leave the religion for conscientious reasons are often divorced by their mates who remain in the religion. When I resigned as a Witness for conscientious reasons in 2015, my wife of 43 years divorced me.

    It has been said that Jehovah’s Witnesses are like the Eagles’ Hotel California where “you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.” An individual Witness can “check out,” as it were, by becoming inactive, ceasing to attend meetings at the Kingdom Hall and no longer preaching, required activities for active Witnesses. However, if at any age one chooses to “leave” by voluntarily resigning from the religion for conscientious reasons, one is ostracized and shunned by family and friends who remain in the religion. Such treatment of ex-Witnesses is mandated by the Watchtower Society, the legal organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and anyone failing to obey that directive is subject to the same treatment. Many observers–evidently including the Russian government–view this common practice by Jehovah’s Witnesses to be a violation of basic human rights.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that they alone are God’s organization on earth today, and their actions over past decades suggest that they consider themselves to be an entitled religion, exempt from the judgments they presumptuously impose on other religions. For example, the article “Are You Also Excommunicated?” in the January 8, 1947, Awake magazine criticized the Catholic Church’s practice of excommunicating those who violate Church laws, stating that the practice has no basis in scripture and is of pagan origin. However, just five years later, in 1952, the Watchtower Society embraced a more severe form of excommunication called disfellowshiping. Unlike excommunication, disfellowshiping requires that morally upright persons who leave the Witnesses for conscientious reasons be completely shunned and viewed as dead by family and friends who remain Witnesses.

    Similarly, the article “Their Refuge–A Lie!” in the June 1, 1991, Watchtower denounced as apostate other religions specifically for being accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations (NGO). However, before 1991 ended, the Watchtower Society had also become accredited to the UN as an NGO. While publicly denouncing the UN as the Devil’s visible organization, the Watchtower Society served essentially as publicity agents for the UN and served in that capacity for the next ten years, reapplying each year for accreditation, until the double standard was exposed by the Guardian newspaper in October 2001.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught that it is their God-given responsibility to expose religious error and hypocrisy wherever they find it. They often visit their neighbors–uninvited–and warn them to leave their Babylonish false religions or face destruction by God at Armageddon. They believe that failure to render such warning makes one blood-guilty before God. Yet, Witnesses who openly challenge unscriptural Watchtower teachings and practices are routinely disfellowshiped and branded as mentally diseased apostates.

    It is said that when toxic people can no longer control you, they will try to influence how others view you. If only in spirit, Jehovah’s Witnesses closely resemble the Islamic State (ISIS) which literally kills those whom it views as infidels.

    President Barack Obama stated, “We must work together to decisively and unequivocally reject hateful ideologies, teachings and practices that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect and human dignity.”

    In his book, “Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief,” New Yorker columnist Lawrence Wright wrote: “People have the right to believe whatever they choose. But it is a different matter to use the protections afforded a religion by the First Amendment to falsify history, to propagate forgeries, and to cover up human-rights abuses.”

    Russia recently banned Jehovah’s Witnesses as an extremist religion which violates human rights and destroys families. I believe that any religious organization which suppresses truth, or which manufactures and propagates its own truth, is an oppressive and harmful cult. Furthermore, I believe that any religious organization which violates the basic human rights of its members–such as requiring families to shun members who leave for conscientious reasons–should have its tax-exempt status revoked.

    • 61n61

      “When I resigned as a Witness for conscientious reasons in 2015, my wife of 43 years divorced me.”

      She divorced you solely and specifically because you “resigned?” There were no additional issues she had with you? Hard to believe.

      Judging from your laundry list of complaints, you must have been a delight for her to spend so much time with.

      • Victor Orazi

        There are a lot of divorces in the organization and young people quit when they are eighteen, by that time they are all screwed because nobody has a University education and only they are good to clean toilets or flip burgers, way to go man??

  • Victor Orazi

    He’s a police dispatcher and a church elder charged with sexually assaulting teen girl
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    A Madera police dispatcher who is a church elder is charged with sexually assaulting a 17-year-old girl he mentored, Fresno police reported.

    Fresno police received an anonymous tip on Sept. 20 about Martin Ramos, 43, and launched an investigation, Sgt. Daniel Macias said.

    Investigators learned that Ramos was an elder at a Jehovah’s Witnesses church in the 4000 block of West McKinley Avenue. There, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.

    Ramos mentored the girl, and the two communicated through text messages. At one point, the two exchanged “inappropriate” photos and their relationship turned physical, Macias said.

    During the course of the investigation, police learned Ramos worked as a dispatcher with the Madera Police Department.

    Ramos was arrested Sept. 21 and cooperated with police.

    He is charged with felony oral copulation, possession and distribution of child pornography and misdemeanor child molestation. Ramos pleaded not guilty to all charges earlier this month and is out on bail. He is due back in court in November.

    Brianna Calix: 559-441-6166, bcalix@fresnobee.com, @BriannaCalix

  • Julio Arroyo

    Oh, I can feel the hate! … Not from JWs but from those who apparently have found religious or atheistic utopia. It must be a sad world when all you do is sit on the roof of the Internet as a sniper shooting at anyone that does not agree with you and wishing them harm. Russia is slipping back into the same Dark Ages.

    • Victor Orazi

      Remember all the Watchtower magazines that spoke against the Catholic Church, being part of Babylon the Great, what s the difference between the Catholic Church​ and Jehovah’s Witnesses?. It is not hate, just stating the fact, it hurts no?.

      • Julio Arroyo

        Sharing your religious beliefs, like you do, is a wonderful right. I love all humans, especially the hard-working and peaceful ones who practice what they preach. I’ve visited the Vatican with awe and respect for the human spirit. I would welcome a Catholic priest into my house and would listen to him attentively, avoiding any heated argument. For me, God, religion, truth and the meaning of life are fascinating subjects. In Russia, I’d be forcefully unemployed or in jail. In Afghanistan, we’d both be in the grave.

        • Victor Orazi

          I am an atheist.

        • Victor Orazi

          Anyway go there, test your faith, JW HAS NO FEAR OF MAN.

          • Julio Arroyo

            Mi amigo Victor, if God exists, we’ll all face him sooner or later. If not, just relax and have a happy life! Bashing JWs and any other religion will drive you bitter and crazy.

          • Victor Orazi

            Be a man and preach your message in the Middle East, no seas un pinche joto como Los misioneros cobardes en la Argentina.

      • Bruce

        You are a piece of work, Victor. Like Captain Louis Renault (Claude Rains) in “Casablanca,” you claim to be shocked, shocked whenever some JW is accused of wrongdoing. Agree, it’s disturbing to say the least, and when the charges are found to be true, can never be countenanced.

        Yet, to compare Jehovah’s Witnesses & their history with that of the Catholic Church is only possible if you leave out the inquisition, medieval witch hunts, the selling of indulgences, the making & removing of kings, the knocking up of nuns, the secret abortions & murders, the antagonism towards any & all who attempted to translate the Bible into common languages that could be read and understood and considered by one and all, etc. None of that apparently matters to you.

        OTOH, the JW’s are known the world over for their bible educating work, and the printing and distributing of the Bible and Bible based publications in virtually every language known the world over. When necessary, JW’s have even produced & distributed materials that have given previously illiterate people(s) the ability to to read & write in their own native languages.

        On this and many other levels, there is NO comparison between Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Catholic Church, but for you, there’s no discernible difference. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.

        https://listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-catholic-history/

      • 61n61

        You are a piece of work, Victor. Like Captain Louis Renault (Claude Rains) in “Casablanca,” you claim to be shocked, shocked whenever some JW is accused of wrongdoing. Agree, it’s disturbing to say the least, and when the charges are found to be true, can never be countenanced.

        Yet, to compare Jehovah’s Witnesses & their history with that of the Catholic Church is only possible if you leave out the inquisition, medieval witch hunts, the selling of indulgences, the making & removing of kings, the knocking up of nuns, the secret abortions & murders, the antagonism towards any & all who attempted to translate the Bible into common languages that could be read and understood and considered by one and all, etc. None of that apparently matters to you.

        OTOH, the JW’s are known the world over for their bible educating work, and the printing and distributing of the Bible and Bible based publications in virtually every language known the world over. When necessary, JW’s have even produced & distributed materials that have given previously illiterate people(s) the ability to to read & write in their own native languages.

        On this and many other levels, there is NO comparison between Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Catholic Church, but for you, there’s no discernible difference. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.

        https://listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-catholic-history/

        • Victor Orazi

          Jehovah’s Witnesses is a Pedophilia Paradise.

        • Victor Orazi

          I am atheist, my father is a loser Jehovah’s Witnesses waiting for the end of the world but he is getting old and now he thinks that he got screwed by this religion, but me I went to the University instead of going to meetings to meet more losers mostly toilet cleaners.

          • 61n61

            Other than the “loser” Jehovah’s Witnesses, Victor, who do you consider “winners?”

          • Victor Orazi

            People who do not believe in religion

        • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

          “OTOH, the JW’s are known the world over for their bible educating work…”

          Again, I would disagree. In my entire life, I have never heard anyone talk about Jehovah’s witnesses as, “those people who do a Bible education work”

          I have always heard JWs described as “they are the ones who do not go in the military”, “they are those people who will not salute the flag”, “they are the people who will not take blood”,”they are the ones always coming to our door trying to sell us some books” and a few more comments like those.

          • Victor Orazi

            When reading Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz, chapter 6 titled “Double Standards” disturbed me more than any other. Here was explained how a Watchtower doctrinal principle that lead to the torture and death of 1000’s of Malawian Witnesses was excused for those in Mexico. Malawian Witnesses suffered unspeakable atrocities due to following the Watchtower’s illogical policy forbidding them to hold a political card in a one party state. During the same period, Witnesses in Mexico were permitted to bribe officials for a Cartilla card in order to escape military service.

            This article outlines this blight on Watchtower history, along with hypocritical stances regarding the Oath of Allegiance and displaying the National Flag in Chile. It is one of the most distressing aspects of Watchtower leadership and has led many Witnesses to re-evaluate the wisdom of ascribing spirit direction to the Governing Body and following them without question.

          • Roy A. Lathrop Sr.

            That is very true. The Malawi/Mexico thing was one of the outstanding eye openers to me when I read the book. Ray Franz was a great help in my exiting the Watchtower cult.

          • Victor Orazi

            I’m glad you are out.

          • Victor Orazi

            Education work? Only to Clean​ toilet and flip burgers

          • 61n61

            You need to get out more, Lathrop. JW’s are known the world over for many things but particularly their door-to-door ministry and the free home bible studies they offer in virtually every country in the world. This has been the case now since the 1920’s. Where’ve you been?

          • Victor Orazi

            Twisted Bible study, when you study with the Borg never are gonna tell you about 1975 and all the failed prophecies uttered by the cult, nothing about the 7000 years concept of every creation day and what about the fiasco of 1914 and the whole bull shit of it, see that is the main question about this cult, holding information, not allowing you to check on older publications, see that is the reason you can’t​ trust JW because this is an evil sect, not better than Scientology.

        • Victor Orazi

          JW are bad like you.

    • Victor Orazi

      Just go to Russia, don’t tell me that to me, prove it to yourself, test your faith.

  • silverspine

    I have no problem with JWs except that they don’t believe Christ is God, a fundamental doctrine that is evident even in their NWT bibles.
    Isaiah 9:6
    John 5:18-23
    John 20:28
    I respect their aversion to mainstream christianity though

    • RHDB

      Isaiah 9:6 my understanding is that you speak about the title given to Jesus with his rulership- “mighty God” which is derived from the Hebrew term ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ which likely means mighty one. If you refer to Genesis 17:1 here his father is called God almighty from the Hebrew word ʼEl Shad·daiʹ showing that his father is superior.

      There are many occasions that prove that Jesus showed his father is superior. And also in the passage that you mentioned John 5:18-23. Here the Pharisees were accusing Jesus of making himself equal to God, notice he responds to them in vs 19 telling them that he can’t do anything of his own initiative showing that he is given the ability by someone superior, his father. Also saying that he does what he sees his father doing. Similarly when a parent raises his son, that son becomes a reflection of what his father taught him.

      John 20:28, Thomas responds, my lord my God. Vs 31 says so that you believe Jesus is the Christ, the son of God. And so here showing that they are two individuals. Just as a son is the image of his father by imitating him in all his ways Jesus was his fathers image through his entire existence.

      Just to add on to vs 28. The Hebrew word ‘El’ is many times translated God, which comes from a root meaning “be strong” At Psalms 82:1,6 the plural of that word is used ʼelo·himʹ for men and judges. And yet we know that these were ordinary men used as spokesman for God himself. See Exodus 4:16 Moses was to serve as “god” to Aaron and Pharaoh.

      Notibly the Hebrew term ha·ʼElʹ is only used with reference to the almighty God and no other god. Translated God in Genesis 46:3 and 2 Samuel 22:31

      And so we can see that in English these terms are translated “God” but the meaning was quite different when you look at the original manuscripts.

      But the true God is not a nameless God. His name is Jehovah. Deut 6:4

      Look up the “Tetragrammaton” if you have time, Satan managed to get humans to remove his name from its rightful place in the scriptures. If you place his name back in all over 7000 places, removing the title “god” or “lord” his place as sovereign of the universe and his kingdom through his son becomes clear as this being the whole theme of the Bible.

      Hope this helps.

      • silverspine

        Isaiah 9:6 calls Jesus everlasting Father, in addition to mighty God. And I do believe that when Thomas said “My Lord, my God”, he is honoring Christ with those titles. Although Jesus did honor the Father in all he did, and was in perfect submission to Him, I believe that firstly; it was for an example to us on how to serve God. Secondly; Christ did not come in the full power of God (otherwise a perfect life is no great feat, but he came bound in the flesh with all its desires) and therefore relied on the Father in the manner that we now do.

        As for the Hebrew words, I am no scholar, nor do I understand the colloquialisms of that Era. I don’t believe faith and understanding are reserved for those who first learn Greek and Hebrew, but God preserves His Word and has made it available in English, which I understand and trust.

        I mentioned my aversion to mainstream Christianity, I am also averse to organized religion. JWs are far smaller in scale than other Trinitarian groups, but I suggest that any church should consist of believers who study the Bible and seek the Lord and come to understanding that way. It isn’t right to have a small (sometimes long dead) group of people imposing ‘guidelines of belief’ to strangers whom they shall never meet. Churches should be personal and independent of one another, not avoiding fellowship, but free in choosing a direction.
        I hope my opinions do not offend you, but rather provoke you to cleave to God.

        • RHDB

          I’m not offended at all. What you say is so true. At the end of the day religion is a personal choice right down to the individual. Nobody can choose for you. The reason why I mentioned the translation is because in English we may be limited to the number of words we have to describe was was meant. Not to argue your point because I understood that it was coming from a sincere place.

          Regarding the number of JW’s in comparison to other religions, just to draw your attention to the time of the flood, the earth was filled with people and yet only 8 were saved, because they listened. Just like Jesus had foretold in Mathew 7:13,14 that only few find the gate leading to everlasting life. The road that everyone is is traveling leads to destruction. It’s really your choice which road you want to travel on. vs 20, shows that a persons fruits show what kind of person they are, not the numbers that they possess. Look at the world of Christendom, the vast majority of people are so selfish, and inhumane.

          While we all are imperfect and all make mistakes, we can use our own discernment to see qualities that stand out.

          I probably will never meet you, but we met here in this discussion. And I never want you to feel like any Jehovah’s Witness has imposed their belief on you. But we do try to defend things that are said which are not true about us. ❤️

          • Victor Orazi

            When the flood came what happened to the people living in this part of the continent?, they didn’t get the message.

        • Marcus Carlini

          One of the most difficult problem to understand the Bible is that we do not have the original manuscripts, I think in order to understand the real flavor of the Bible is to have knowledge of Ancient languages like Hebrew, Ancient Greek, etc. Because the Bible is subject of speculation, a good book to read is “Misquoting Jesus”. This book talks about the different teachings of Jesus during that time.

  • Victor Orazi

    According to Ander Andersen:
    How does the Jehovah’s Witnesses governing body profit monetarily?
    9 ANSWERS
    Anders Andersen
    Anders Andersen, Have been a Christian for most part of my life
    Updated May 2
    Although the members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t receive much money for their services, it’s mistaken to think they do not have any monetary benefits at all.

    They receive

    Free housing
    Free medical care
    Free meal service
    Free house keeping service
    Free tailor, laundry service, hair dresser
    Free travelling around the world to conventions in a lot of countries and cities
    Voluntary monetary gifts from adherents they meet
    They receive all of the above for life*, so effectively they also receive their pension and nursery home for free.

    Take out your calculator and figure out what you are paying for the services listed above. It’s most of your income, isn’t it?
    So, they do have monetary benefits with their position. They just aren’t getting rich of it (that we know of).

    But outside the guaranteed ‘for life’ part*, they basically get what every Bethelite (unpaid worker at Watchtower offices or factories) receives too.

  • Victor Orazi

    1931 “There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates,” (Vindication, p. 338).
    1941 “Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord’s provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon,” (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
    1968 “True, there have been those in times past who predicted an ‘end to the world’, even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The ‘end’ did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God’s truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them,” (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
    1968 “Why are you looking forward to 1975?” (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
    A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?

    A true prophet of God won’t err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah’s Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, “For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible” (Matt. 24:24

  • John

    Under Orthodox belief there is an underlying idea that Church and state act as one. Putin being a staunch Orthodox believer, lives with the idea that the church is the soul and the state is the body. They literally believe that they can create the Kingdom of God here on Earth by means of religious purity. And that this is Gods will. What Russia is really doing is creating another Iran type theocracy under the Orthodox banner. The fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses began in the US is only an excuse to push this ideology. The fact is, the Bible Students, as they were known before taking the name Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1931, have been present in Russia for a little less than 2 decades before the Russian revolution of 1917. So the religion has actually been a part of Russian society for almost as long as it has with American. What we are seeing is the pendulum swing in the opposite direction from the 70+ years of soviet revulsion of religion. They are now going to the other extreme.

    • Victor Orazi

      Is the same with Watchtower Inc., anybody preaching a different message is shunned and expelled from the organization. The Soviet are doing the same, JW is a cult and the Orthodox Church is a bigger cult.

  • Karen Wilson

    Satan the Devil is very busy on this thread. Why do people under Satan the Devil’s guidance try so hard, to convince people to turn against Jehovah’s servants. Stop wasting your time and energy. The only thing you are doing is showing mankind how accurate God’s word the Bible is.

    • Victor Orazi

      The devil, there is no evidence that he exists, it i really pathetic that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in the devil, the same African tribes believe in the spirit world, but that is common all over the world, many religions teach the same thing about bad spirits and good spirits.

      • Ms. Kay

        All you have to do is look at all the wickedness worldwide. That’s Satan the Devil goal,is to have people believe he doesn’t exist. Facts are Facts Good spirits exist (Angels), and wicked spirits exist ( demons) .

        The only evidence needed to believe Satan the Devil exist, is God’s word the Bible. Man’s opinions, Philosophies, or traditions doesn’t matter. Only God’s word the Bible.

        • Victor Orazi

          The wicked world exist in religion itself.

  • TruthSeeker

    Jehovah’s Witnesses have a history of resilience in cases of religious persecution. They have no political or bureaucratic ties whatsoever yet somehow they manage to gain religious freedoms through court victories all over the world. In fact, according to many human rights groups, Jehovah’s Witnesses have long endured religious persecution, prison sentences and even execution due to their political neutrality. Despite the ban of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia, many continue evangelizing just as they did prior. If history teaches us anything about Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia, it’s despite the hatred and oppression, their membership and number of hours spent evangelizing continues to grow. No telling how Russia plans to enforce its ban on Jehovah’s Witnesses and stop it’s members from continuing to evenglize because they haven’t successfully done so in the last 100 years.

    • Victor Orazi

      What are you doing here, watching the war from far away, what kind of Christ s soldier you are?. Be a man, go to Russia and suffer with them, feel the pain, don’t be a wimp.

  • David Alfonso

    Sadly, folks commenting here such as Victor Orazi are misinformed and prejudiced. Ignorant really. If you are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses please don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. It’s pointless. They are blinded and we know what that means. This will be my final comment on this forum. I have a real life to live. Have a great day!

    • Victor Orazi

      What happen David, you want people to agree with you, that is the problem with JW, they think they own the truth, the truth according to the Watchtower, you love to question other s people religion but you get verbally abusive when somebody does not agree with you, then stop harassing people with your cult message, you think you are right, just keep it to yourself, do not spread that religion full of excrement to other people, bunch of cowards, go and preach in the Middle East, little dwarf

    • Victor Orazi

      then again, let me fart on your mariachi comment.

    • Victor Orazi

      Haha this guy is full of it, bring the evidences, I am sorry guy, you have no case, you have no life, you can’t​ prove a single point, you are still here, like I said, if you want to prove something you by now would be preaching your wonderful news in the Middle East, see you are a wimp. You are closing your eyes, you are living in a Pedophilia Paradise where Elders chosen by the Holly Spirit rape children and protected by the Governing Body and punishing the victims when they report to the police, all this has been published by many newspapers and tv.

  • Marcus Carlini

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are the one that preach the end of the world, they came to my house once and said I remember clearly, it was 1914, this man showed me from Mathew chapter 24, he said: this generation won t pass away, then he explained to me that some of the people who were born before 1914 had the opportunity to see the end of the world. Nothing happened, `1914 is gone, everybody is dead, and that witness never came back to retract himself from such senseless comment.

  • Marcus Carlini

    Do you know how many times Jehovah’s Witnesses gave false dates for the time of Judgement day, about 8, now why I have to believe that this time is gonna happen.

  • Marcus Carlini

    1914 is over and we are here.

  • http://sciencereligionpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/11/blood-transfusions-evil-or-good.html

    In one study 4 of 5 people who took blood during surgery DIED of complications caused by the blood. If they did not die on the table they died later in “recovery” or over time from the diseases in the blood.

  • So, you know the wonderful effects of human stupidity: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8796ea3da1dd44eddfcd809bd194f10cc3cee91fd3b02ed981c69316bcbbffea.jpg The medical industry has grown from NOTHING, in the 1600’s to over 5 trillion dollars a year in just the USA. This is EVIDENCE of human degradation into sickness and diseases that are so numerous the medical industry is having trouble just naming them.

    Infected reproduction, is the main cause of genetic diseases that are destroying life from the inside.

    There is only ONE way out. It is the way to eternal life on a paradise earth.

    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20131201/making-all-things-new/

  • https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/bloodless_medicine_surgery/news.html

    Medical Doctors are incompetent these days. They are not trained as well, because academic standards have been lowered and most are only trained in one field.

    They are stressed out according to medical journals, as is common when working beyond ones abilities. This is a systemic problem with a degrading society.

    The third leading cause of death is medical errors. They miss diseases all the time, misdiagnose many diseases, and give the wrong treatment. The lack of proper treatment kills the patient. I feel for them, because they try to follow a lot of incorrect information and ideas like teaching “evolution” and other crap ideas only confuses them.

    http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

  • According to MODERN medical studies. Bloodless sugery is far better for people, and is rapidly becoming the standard.

    For many years doctors were NOT trained in how to do this type of surgery. Therefore when they were told they could not use blood by a Jehovah’s Witness, they had no idea what to do.

    Now in modern times this technique of far better health results and FAR LESS MORTALITY, is being taught to the US Military. The time in the hospital has been cut over 50% and the patients recover much faster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWhRqCjT9w

  • Good News From God! I am sick of all this nonsense of people who hate what the Bible teaches.

    1. What is the news from God?
    People enjoying life on earth
    God wants people to enjoy life on earth. He created the earth and everything on it because he loves mankind. Soon he will act to provide a better future for people in every land. He will relieve mankind of the causes of suffering.—Jeremiah 29:11.

    Jeremiah 29:11
    11 “‘For I well know the thoughts that I am thinking toward you,’ declares Jehovah, ‘thoughts of peace, and not of calamity,+ to give you a future and a hope.+

    No government has ever succeeded in eliminating violence, disease, or death. But there is good news. Shortly, God will replace all human governments with his own government. Its subjects will enjoy peace and good health.— Isaiah 25:8; 33:24; Daniel 2:44.

    Isaiah 25:8
    8 He will swallow up* death forever,+
    And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will wipe away the tears from all faces.+
    The reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth,
    For Jehovah himself has spoken it.

    Isaiah 33:24
    24 And no resident* will say: “I am sick.”+
    The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error.+

    Daniel 2:44
    44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom+ that will never be destroyed.+ And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.+ It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,+ and it alone will stand forever,+

    Because EVERYTHING in the Bible is EXCELLENT and PROVEN to be BEYOND ERROR in every independent study, Then this hope for a restoration of life on earth as Jehovah intended is the ONLY HOPE for humanity.

  • Witness Patients Often Do Better

    AUSTRALIA: “Hospital patients who are Jehovah’s Witnesses—who refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds—actually do better than other patients,” reports the October 2, 2012, issue of The Sydney Morning Herald.

    The report cites Clinical Professor James Isbister from the Sydney Medical School, University of Sydney. “Professor Isbister said Jehovah’s Witnesses were given better treatment by doctors trying to preserve their [the Witness patients’] blood. As a result they had better survival rates, and shorter hospital and intensive care stays than people who received blood transfusions during surgery,” reports the paper.

    Doctor Isbister’s views are by no means unique. Regarding Witness patients who have cardiac surgery, the Archives of Internal Medicine, August 13-27, 2012, says: “Witnesses had fewer acute complications and shorter length of stay than matched patients who received transfusions.”

  • Jehovah God has excellent news for those who hearts are good and want to live in a much better world.

    2. Why is the good news urgent?
    Suffering will end only when God clears the earth of bad people. (Zephaniah 2:3) When will that happen? God’s Word foretold the conditions that now threaten mankind. Current events indicate that God’s time to act is close.— 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

    Zephaniah 2:3
    3 Seek Jehovah,+ all you meek ones* of the earth,
    Who observe his righteous decrees.*
    Seek righteousness, seek meekness.*
    Probably* you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.+

    2 Timothy 3:1-5
    3 But know this, that in the last days+ critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power;+ and from these turn away.

  • 3. What should we do?
    We should learn about God from his Word, the Bible. It is like a letter to us from a loving father. It tells us how to enjoy a better way of life now and how to enjoy everlasting life on earth in the future. True, some may not like it that you are receiving help to understand the Bible. But the opportunity of a better future is too good to miss.— Proverbs 29:25; Revelation 14:6, 7.

    Proverbs 29:25
    25 Trembling at* men is* a snare,+
    But the one trusting in Jehovah will be protected.+

    Revelation 14:6, 7.
    6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven,* and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue* and people.+ 7 He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived,+ so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea+ and the springs* of water.”

  • “Killed by a needless blood transfusion”

    There are some 34 known diseases transferred by human blood. It is like Russian Roulett to take blood. It always is harmful to the recipient’s health, ALWAYS. This is why it is forbidden by God, because Jehovah God is the CREATOR of life and knows what is good for you.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/9605799/Killed-by-a-needless-blood-transfusion.html

  • “Blood Transfusions Still Overused and May Do More Harm Than Good in Some Patients”

    I always find it to be stupid when people with emotional problems and NO medical knowledge attack Jehovah’s Witnesses on this no blood issue. It is in the Bible in several places, and these same people often call themselves “Christians”.

    As it turns out with EVERY rule given by God in the Bible it has only beneficial results.

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/blood_transfusions_still_overused_and_may_do_more_harm_than_good_in_some_patients

  • Revelation 21:4, 5
    4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes,+ and death will be no more,+ neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.+ The former things have passed away.”
    5 And the One seated on the throne+ said: “Look! I am making all things new.”+ Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful* and true.”

    I would like to know…What is wrong with a world where people do not get sick, ever, and never die? When asking this, I find that people cannot even fathom this could be possible.

    All you have to do is to study the degradation of humans into this sickly condition where the medical industry is now just under $5,000,000,000,000 every year in total revenues, source Forbes Magazine. To give you an idea how sick we are, it would take you over 9 million years to count one dollar at a time every minute. One dollar a minute. Or 158,549 years if you counted it one dollar a second. And people think humans are better off.

    We have more disease, suffering and death because of human ignorance and never following the rules for health as found in the Bible. Humans are so destructive to life, because we are full of diseases, compulsions, that control even out thinking.

    We can see the results of human “sin” (sins are actions that cause disease, suffering and death), in the 17,000 known genetic diseases we have accumulated, many of which have no cases ever recorded in any medical journal until the 20th century. And we have cultivated some 10,000 pathogens by not following even proper science in terms of how diseases are mutated from human stupidity. The odd thing is the compulsions outweigh any of our knowledge and we continue to not accept the knowledge if it doesn’t allow us to destroy ourselves for “fun”.

    I understand fully how sin works from studying genetics for the past 12 years.

    Here are some of my conclusions from evidence based science.

    When seeking the truth in the phenomenon all the evidence we can test and study always shows the same conclusion, or it is not science. The truth is revealed when you remove your emotions, prejudices and the garbage beliefs from the study. The Truth about humans always evokes strong emotions of denial in people, simply because most are guilty of supporting the cause of diseases from the condition of ignorance.

    Every genetic disease rising by 10 times per capita (per 100,000 people) in less than 100 years. Some are more like 15 times (diabetes). And we have accumulated some 17,000 genetic diseases, The cause is infected reproduction. You cannot share any sexual contact outside of a monogamous uninfected (clean of viral, fungal, amoebic, bacterial STD’s) marriage and have healthy babies. And once you have any of the standard viral STD’s, they never go away. It becomes part of your reproductive cells. There is no cure for viruses.

    Cancer was 1 in 45 in 1847 as a cause of death. Cancer was 1 in 20 at the start of the 20th century (1900). Now it is 1 in 3 dying of this disease before the age of 64.
    Congenital heart disease is up 200% in 29 years. We now have so many diseases that are brand new, never were seen before in all the historical records of humanity.
    We now have huge cancer hospitals strictly for the treatment of children. If we did not have so many sick children they would never exist. These are all new in the last 15 to 20 years, because of the phenomenal rise of childhood cancers.

    Death by Doctor is now number three killer in the USA.

    12,000,000 causes of medical misdiagnoses causing harm to patients.

    http://www.livescience.com/44888-misdiagnosis-doctors-visits.html

    The third leading cause of death is death by doctor.

    *Deaths by medical mistakes hit records*
    400,000 people die each year from medical mistakes.
    http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

    The CDC has issued Biblical instructions for stopping STD’s. This is because STD’s have risen by 20,000,000 cases each year for the past 11 years. Most of the infected are young girls ages 13 to 24. Second is males 13 to 24. (All at peak reproductive years) These “kids” are just following the sexual misconduct as being good ideas of society. Movies with sex, violence and killing as the constant and well received theme by stupid people. Promoting sexual misconduct as being good in the classroom. It is pure irony that most of the movie “stars” all support gun control and taking guns away from citizens, and they use guns in nearly every movie they make, brainwashing young people into a violent mindset. They also have sex for no reason with random sexual partners as if that was a good thing to do. Now many of the famous actors, and actresses are diseased with HPV, HSV-1, HSV-1, HIV/AIDS and Hepatitis is rampant in that industry. These are the “gods” that young people honor? We are screwed as a society.

    The CDC clearly states that there is no safe sex outside of a marriage to an uninfected person. (You cannot find an uninfected person according to STD statistics)This is because this massive sales job on condom use was a lie. Kissing, touching, oral contact with any sexual area infected is not affected by condom use. Skin to skin contact around the “condom” will give you several diseases. You cannot deep kiss and not get infected with HSV-1, HSV-2, HPV, HBV. HIV (HIV; if there is any blood contact, and this is more common than you think).

    It is really far worse than people “want to believe”. And when your baby is born with some disease that did not come from any inheritance of diseases, it came from infected reproduction. Viral infections at conception destroy the original coding of the DNA by reverse transcriptase into the cells. And if this is the ONLY cell you have then all the other cells will be screwed up also.

    Humans are totally infected today and will never allow any idea of saving the lives of the offspring to enter into the compulsive sexual immorality. Sex is for reproduction with a clean uninfected mate. You can have all the sex you want with ONE person but if you go outside the odds are extreme that you will pick up a disease now and that disease is permanent.

    This is why we are doomed as a species to suffering, diseases, continual rise of retardation, and mothers taking their children to the hospital over and over trying to keep them alive from some horrible disease. I have studied many hundreds of cases to the point of reading mothers “blogs” on the torture of taking their precious beautiful babies to the hospital as many as 50 times to keep them alive, only to have them die after the 10th surgery. These new diseases are extremely horrible.

    This is what the evidence shows.

  • “Recently, Johns Hopkins cardiac surgeons performed a totally blood-free tetralogy of Fallot repair in a 2-month-old, 6-kilogram infant— the youngest and smallest in the institution’s history to undergo heart surgery without a single drop of foreign blood. The baby was discharged home on day six following the operation and has had a smooth, complication-free recovery.”

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/articles/a-bloodless-tetralogy-repair

  • https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctors-explore-potential-benefits-of-bloodless-surgery/

    By HENA DANIELS CBS NEWS February 17, 2016, 5:10 PM
    Doctors explore benefits of “bloodless” surgery



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